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CROP DUSTERS
POSSIBLE RAMBLER LEAD?
MISSING TWO WEEKS
OFSTEIN AND OSWALD
HOW DID THE POLICE FIRST LEARN THAT OSWALD LIVED AT 1026 N. BECKLEY?
FAIRGROUNDS
THE 12:35 PM INTERROGATION SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1963
REVOLT OF THE COLONELS?
SECRET SERVICE: ON THE KNOLL AND BEYOND
HAWKINS AND HUTSON
HARVEY LEE OSWALD
ANCIENT ROMAN EMPIRE CONNECTION
WHERE WAS BOB CARROLL?
REVILL'S LIST OF EMPLOYEES
OSWALD IN MIAMI
VERNON, TEXAS
URANIUM4150th USARF Training School
CROP DUSTERS
edited 01/03/18
Question: How many other of these crop duster pilots defected to the U.S. ?
If anyone has any information on other crop dusters, I would appreciate hearing about it.
In the Senate Select Committee files, aka the Church Committee Boxed Files, there is a document numbered 157-10014-10120, dated 1/19/76 from Paul Wallach, entitled “Oswald in New Orleans”.
On page 92 of this document, there is a memo from Dan Dwyer to The Files dated 9/23/75. In this memo, Dwyer describes looking at the Department of Justice Anti-Castro files from the late 1950’s to the early 1970’s.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462&search=157-10014-10120#relPageId=92&tab=page
One of the files that Dwyer examined is dated 1/22/60, entitled Anti-Fidel Castro Activities. The summary of this file reads,
“January 12, 1960, Raul Cross, pilot for Arbana Airlines. The Cuban Government was having thirty pilots trained in Mexico, (using cover that they were being trained as crop dusters). They were using instructors from Chile at $700/month.”
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1462&relPageId=96
Warren CD# 1085 is a letter from the Director of the FBI to Jay Lee Rankin dated June 11, 1964 with attached memos and reports.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=3
See here for a list of various reports from Wallace Heitman:
http://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=HEITMAN%20june%2025,%201964
One of the Reports included is a memo from Dallas SA Wallace Heitman dated April 29, 1964. This Report discusses the residents of an address in Garland, Texas and the sighting of a Rambler station wagon parked in front with a bumper sticker that says, “Kill the Kennedy Klan.”
On page 6 of his memo, Heitman says this his source told him that the two unnamed subjects of the memo had been employed by him (the source) for approximately one year. He said they were Cuban citizens and who were trained as duster pilots in Mexico for the Cuban Government and later defected from the Fidel Castro Government and came to the United States.
While Heitman’s memo is heavily redacted, other research has revealed the two residents of 806 E. Monica in Garland, TX were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.
Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro had revealed that Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were members of Alpha-66 and the SNFE.
The two subjects were known to be violently anti-Castro and had attended the speech by Adlai Stevenson in Dallas when he got bonked on the head by a picket sign.
One of the two subjects of this memo entered the U.S. illegally by swimming across the Rio Grande at Lightner’s Pump (sp?) about five miles east of Brownsville, TX. He crossed with his friend who was apprehended. Records of the INS revealed to Heitman that the subject had left Cuba in blank, 1960 and went to Mexico, which he left on December 26, 1960.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11481&relPageId=215
page 6
Wallace Heitman and W. James Woods interviewed Raoul Castro on May 14, 1964. Their Report is dated May 22, 1964. Castro told them that he had entered Aviation Cadet School in Cuba in June, 1959, where he met Juan Francisco Quintana Maya. They were sent to Mexico, where they spent seven months. They returned to Cuba in May, 1960, spent twenty days there, and were sent back to Mexico for “link training, and to finish their course in crop dusting”. ( I don't know what “link training” is). Castro told them that it was obvious that the training they were receiving was military in nature.
The wives of both subjects of Heitman’s memo were Mexican sisters.
The INS files reveal that the subject stated that many of the students attending the two airline schools he attended were Communists and Fidel Castro supporters. He named several students (redacted) studying to be air traffic control operators were known Communists.
Just some food for thought: What if Raul Castro and Juan Quintana were double agents, sent to Mexico to ostensibly to train as crop dusters and then told to defect to the U.S. and infiltrate the anti-Castro Cuban exile community?
Just speculating.
Steve Thomas
POSSIBLE RAMBLER LEAD?
posted by Steve at 8:33 AM
Friday, September 29, 2006
03/23/17
In his Sheriff's Report filed on November 23, 1963, Deputy Sheriff, Roger Craig wrote about a man seen running down the hill in front of the TSBD and getting into a light colored Rambler. "The man driving this station wagon was a dark complected white male."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/craig1.htm
On April 1, 1964 he testified before the WC, and told them,
"Mr. BELIN - What about the man who was driving the car?
Mr. CRAIG - Now, he struck me, at first, as being a colored male. He was very dark complected, had real dark short hair, and was wearing a thin white-looking Jacket..."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/craig.htm
Warrren Commission Document# 1085 is a June 11, 1964 letter from J. Edgar Hoover with attached memoranda and reports. Included in that letter is a heavily redacted April 29, 1964 report from Dallas SA Wallace Heitman. Heitman's Report speaks about an automobile parked in front of a residence in Garland, Texas that displayed a bumper sticker that read, "Kill the Kennedy Klan." The names of the families who resided at the house together have been whited out.
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=210&tab=page
His report also says that after the assassination, efforts were made to remove this bumper sticker and that after the assassination, residents of this address began to receive a lot of mail from Miami, New York, and Mexico. His report redacts the names of people who have been receiving mail at that address.
On page 5 of this Report, it says, "On April 9, 1964, SA Wallace R. Heitman observed parked on the street in front of the residence at ..... Garland, Texas a late-model, four door Rambler automobile, bearing license PD-4976." A source told Heitman that this automobile was owned by ......
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=214
Okay, here's the kicker.
CD 913 is a March 30, 1964 Report of Robert Gemberling. Included in this Report on page 159 is information relative to the "Kill the Kennedy Klan" bumper sticker and persons receiving mail at 806 E. Monica Dr. in Garland, TX.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11309#relPageId=174&tab=page
However, Gemberling's report INCLUDES the names of the people. The mail being reported on, dates from late December and early January, 1964.
Heitman's Report of April 29th is a copy of Gemberling's March 30th.
Among the people receiving mail at 806 E. Monica Dr. were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.
Among the Miscellaneous CIA Series, there is an unauthored FBI Report of the various anti-Castro groups in Dallas: JURE, 30th of November, Alpha 66-SNFE, etc.
REPORT: JUNTA REVOLUCIONARIA CUBANA; SEGUNDO FRENTE DE ESCAMBRAY (OPERATION ALPHA 66); DIRECTORIO REVOLUCIONARIO ESTUDIANTIL; MOVIMIENTO REVOLUCIONARIO 30 DE NOVIEMBRE; FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE NARA Record Number: 104-10320-10070
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=28726&relPageId=2
On pages 4 through 6 of that Report, Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro furnished a list of the present officers of SNFE. Among that list of people on page 6 were Raul Castro and Juan Quintana.
In a 5/28/64 memo from FBI, Dallas to the Director,
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10146&relPageId=28
Informant T-1 is identified as Enrique Varona. Informant T-2 is identified as Joaquin Insua (under consideration as a PSI). Informant T-3 is identified as CIA, Miami, Florida.
On May 25, 1964, Manuel Rodriguez voluntarily appeared at the Dallas FBI offices and spoke to Wallace Heitman. He told Heitman that the members of SNFE met at bi-weekly meetings at 3126 Harlandale. (Although in his Report, Heitman spelled it Hollandale.)
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11481#relPageId=222&tab=page
In his 11/26/63 follow up Report, Deputy Sheriff, Buddy Walthers wrote that the Cubans who had been at the Harlandle house had moved out between seven days before the President was shot and one day after he was shot.
See: http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0276b.htm
Oswald was seen going in and out of a house on Harlendale St. in Dallas. (I think the address was 3126, and he was seen at least once I believe. The source for this was Sheriff's Deputy Buddy Walthers in his after-action reports)
See: http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/html/WH_Vol19_0276b.htm
Did they move to Garland, and was this the Rambler Roger Craig saw?
I have been looking for some connection between the Miller/Whitter gunrunning case, the right wing activities of Larry Schmidt and the Joiner family, Lawrence Howard and Loren Hall running guns through Dallas, and the anti-Castro Cubans.
Frank Ellsworth told the Secret Service that John Thomas Masen had told him (Ellsworth) that Manuel Rodriguuez Orcarberro had tried to buy bazookas, machine guns, and other heavy equipment from him (Masen). Masen had told Ellsworth that George F. Parrel was a Cuban national who “was as associate of Rodriguez”, and who had also tried buying guns from Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and Parrel had previously made purchases from him and that they had a large cashe of arms in the Dallas area.
See: Warren Commission Document 853 - SS Rowley Memorandum of 24 Apr 1964 re: Manuel Rodriguez w/Attachments
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=4&tab=page
http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=2&tab=page
Around this time – mid-October – a party of AMSPELL military leaders (including Manuel Salvat, who led the attack on Miramar) arrives in Dallas from Miami. The public purpose for the trip is to raise money for medical relief to Cuban exiles. The fund-raising sessions are attended by right-wing Catholics and Birchers, including retired general Edwin Walker. Spotted at one such anti-Castro gathering is an American described by Silvia Odio as “brilliant and clever”:
Lee Harvey Oswald. (On this day, a Dallas citizen will later report that a man described as “identical” with Oswald attends a local meeting of the DRE.) At the same time they are holding public meetings in Dallas, Salvat and another of the DRE leaders from Miami, Joaquin Martinez de Pinillos, meet with
de Goicochea , who has enrolled a t the University of Dallas, becoming a fellow student of Sarita Odio,
Silvia Odio ’s younger sister. Salvat and Martinex recruit de Goicochea as the DRE’s Dallas military representative. His task is to acquire heavy arms for the DRE. Before returning to Miami, Martinez introduces de Goicochea (as the organization’s new buyer, “George Perrel”) to Dallas gun dealer John Masen. Masen learns from the DRE exiles that the weapons they will need are for a planned second major invasion of Cuba.
THE JFK ASSASSINATION CHRONOLOGY
Compiled by Ira David Wood III
http://www.assassina.../...20Sanchez"" p. 98
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono1.pdf#search=%22%22Fermin%20de%20Goicochea%20Sanchez%22%22
One interesting thing, Warren Commission Document #320 is a memo from SS Agent Rowley. On page 162 of that Report there is a newspaper article from October 27, 1963 issue of the Dallas Times Herald concerning the Stevenson incident.
In the article, Bobbie Joiner said there was no preplanning for Stevenson incident, but that, “some of the signs used were stored at former Major General Edwin A. Walker’s headquarters on Turtle Creek Blvd.”
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=162
This was the same incident that Larry Schmidt took credit for in one of his letters to Bernard Weissman. Schmidt was also quoted in the same October 27th issue
On page 6 of Wallace Heitman’s April 29 Report cited above, right in the middle of a discussion about the Cubans in Garland, he says that his source said that (blank) and (blank) (Quintana and Castro?) had told him that they had attended the meeting at the Dallas Municipal Auditorium in October, 1963 where Adlai Stevenson had given a speech and that they had worn placards outside the Auditorium which were anti-Stevenson in context.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=215
I'm not sure what this proves, other than these people were at the same place at the same time. Did they know each other? I don't know.
The house on Harlendale was the meeting place of an anti-Castro exile group called SNFE Alpha-66. Interviews of the members of the group said that they met at that house on a bi-weekly basis.
(The street address in that May 25, 1964 Heitman FBI report http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do;jsessionid=0DA3210F9F7B151BDA92B0C69302040A?docId=11481&relPageId=222 was spelled "Hollandale)
The President of the group was a man named Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro. He was described in a Secret Service Protection Report as being "violently anti-Kennedy").
See Warren Commission Document 853 SS Rowley Memorandum of 24 Apr 1964
here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=4&tab=page
In an FBI interview conducted later, he said that two of the officers of the Dallas Alpha-66 chapter were named Rafael Quintana and Raoul Castro.
Rafael Quintana and Raoul Castro lived together in a house in Grand Prairie, Texas with two Mexican sisters.
They had defected to the U.S. from Cuba by way of Mexico by swimming across the Rio Grande River at Brownsville, TX.
On a side note, Cuba had sent bunch of men to Mexico to be trained as "crop duster" pilots. One of the men said later that his training seemed to be more military in nature. A lot of these men seemed later to "defect" to the United States. I believe that these men were false defectors - like Oswald and others who were sent to Russia to "defect".
Rafael Quintana was one of these men.
Turns out that a Rambler Station Wagon was seen parked at their house in Grand Prairie. The car was owned by Raoul Castro.
Juan Francisco Quintana Maya and Raul Castro Baile were jointly interviewed by FBI Wallace Heitman at their home in Garland on May 14, 1964. Castro owned the Rambler and Quintana picked up the Kan the Kennedy Klan bumper sticker at a meeting sponsored by the John Birch Society at which John Martino spoke in August or September, 1963.
Quintana and Castro were both officials of the Dallas Chapter of the SNFE Alpha 66 and regularly attended meetings at the house on Harlandale.
See here for a Heitman interview of Raul Castro Baile:
http://www.maryferre....do?docId=69112
He said he had been trained as an aviator in the Cuban Air Force and had received training in Cuba and Mexico. He said he and Quintana had defected in June, 1960 during their second tour in Mexico.
See here for an interview of Juan Quintana Maya:
http://www.maryferre....do?docId=69111
Castro told Heitman that he owned the Rambler and Quintana was the one who put the bumper sticker on.
Pull up a close-up picture of the "Dark Complected Man" sitting on the curb in Dealey Plaza during the assassination.
In 2014, Richard Douglas posted a series of photos of the Dark Complected Man in the jfkassassinationforum
here:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=da10693a75f6fceb0ce372badd010bff&topic=11687.0
Would you say that this man is 5'11", 158 lbs, has brown hair, wears dark glasses, and has a dark complexion?
The physical description provided above is not that of the Dark Complected Man, but of Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro.
See 5/26/64 FBI Report of SA Wallace Heitman, page 5
http://www.maryferre...p;relPageId=223
an INS description of Rodriguez here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11250#relPageId=7&tab=page
lists him at 69” tall, 145 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes and born in 1928 in Santiago, Cuba.
I know about Richard Bartholomew and his theory about the source for the Rambler, but I find his explanation too convoluted - too complicated.
I think that somebody blew into town in Dallas and asked to borrow a car, and they - the Alpha-66 guys, lent him, or them the Rambler.
MISSING TWO WEEKS
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57768&search=YMCA#relPageId=57&tab=page
Letter from J.Edgar Hoover to Deputy Assistant Secretary for Security, Department of State dated February 12, 1964:
“We are endeavoring to identify Lee Harvey Oswald's place of residence during the period from October 19, 1962 when he moved out of the YMCA in Dallas to November 2-3, 1962, when, with his wife, he moved into a furnished apartment at 604 Elsbeth Street, Dallas, Texas.”
The letter is asking that George de Mohrenschildt be re-interviewed concerning what he might know.
Reading through Mary Ferrell’s Chronologies for the month of October, beginning from around October 8 – October 14th. she asks “where does Oswald spend the night?”
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=77&tab=page
pp. 77-80.
By greg parker on Sat 15 Oct 2016, 11:33 pm
Steve, here is the Taylor interview. Only had a quick read, but my impression is that it needs a deeper look.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57773&search=taylor#relPageId=58&tab=page
In her Chronologies for October, 1962 (on page 78) Mary Ferrell locates the Coz-I-Eight apartments at 1306.N.Beckley.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=78&tab=page
Is it possible that Oswald (or someone posing as Oswald) who applied for PO Box 6225 on November 1, 1963 remembered the apartment complex, but transposed the numbers? He listed his home address as 3610 N. Beckley.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337065/m1/1/
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=96284&search=P.O._Box+6225#relPageId=4&tab=page
And is there any significance to that apartment complex?
This wouldn't be the first time numbers were transposed. Oswald transposed the PO Box number on his August, 1963 FPFC handbills in New Orleans.
Alexandra de Mohrenschildt (Mrs. Donald Gibson) who married to Gary Taylor was born on Christmas Day (December 25), 1943. Alexandra was George de Mohrenschildt's daughter, or rather step-daughter.
She married Gary Taylor on November 21, 1959.
She was 15 years old at the time.
(11H124) She was interviewed by the WC on May 28, 1964.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=45#relPageId=134&tab=page
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. She lived with us in Dallas for quite some time.
And, finally, she eloped from school----
Mr. JENNER. From what school?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Highland Park School.
Gary Taylor was four years older than she was and he was born December 24, 1939. He was 19 when he married Alexandra.
Between August and November, Lee popped in and out of their home frequently, but she didn't say he was staying there.
Jenner told Mrs. Gibson that Oswald stayed at the YMCA between October 15th and 19th, 1962.
Oswald went to work for JCS on October 12th.
Marina says that after Lee checked out of the YMCA on October 19th, he moved to an apartment, but she didn't know where it was.
Leon Gopadze December 10, 1963 Secret Service interview of Marina. Warren Commission Exhibit 1789.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=434&tab=page
Marina also testified to this in her WC testimony.
Gary Taylor's WC testimony at 2:00 PM March 25, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/taylor1.htm
Mr. JENNER, Excuse me. Do you recall being interviewed by two agents of the FBI on the 29th of January 1964.
Mr. TAYLOR. I think so.
Mr. JENNER. Would it refresh your recollection did you tell those agents at that time that you picked up Lee Oswald at the curb of the YMCA in Dallas and drove to Fort Worth to the Hall residence where Marina was living?
Mr. TAYLOR. Well, it is refreshing to my memory, but I would like to say this about it. That in the course of several interviews by the FBI, the Secret Service, and the Dallas Police Department which have occurred, and between these and since the last one, I have naturally tried to remember all that I can concerning the areas in which I was vague in my memory. And at my last interview concerning this one particular item, it occurred to me that at one time once I went to--uh--and looked for a place where Lee was staying in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas and tried to locate him. I remember going and trying to locate him. I don't remember whether I found him or whether I did not. I know that--uh----
Mr. JENNER. Can you pinpoint this as to time?
Mr. TAYLOR. No; that's the trouble. I can't pinpoint it as to time. I just remember some vague directions that----
Mr. JENNER. What about year--1962?
Mr. TAYLOR. 1962 definitely.
Mr. JENNER. And it had to be some time after----
Mr. TAYLOR. It had to be some time between September and November 15, because my wife and I separated after that. Anyway, at some point during this period, I do remember going to an area in Oak Cliff and looking for Lee. I don't think I found him--at least, not on the occasion I remember. All I had was some vague directions that----
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Mr. JENNER. From whom?
Mr. TAYLOR. Well, directly from my wife but indirectly I believe that came to her from Mrs. De Mohrenschildt.
Mr. JENNER. Were you requested to seek to locate him?
Mr. TAYLOR. I don't know why I was trying to locate him. I don't remember anything except I remember driving around one area one evening looking for a residence of his on some vague directions. As I say, I don't even remember if it was a residence of the whole family or just of Lee. I went back to this area within the last few weeks and located a building that stuck--or I had a recollection of one building in this area and I went back to the area and found it and gave that information to Agent Yelchek of the FBI. I don't know what he----
Mr. JENNER. What location was that?
Mr. TAYLOR. I gave him the exact street address---but it seems to me like it was---well, the name of the apartment building was the Coz-I-Eight [spelling] C-o-z---I---E-i-g-h-t--apartments, and I thing they were located at 1404 North Beckley. But the address I could be off on; but the name I do remember.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=45#relPageId=148&tab=page
WC testimony of Mrs. Gibson: at 11:00 AM, May 28, 1964 (formerly Alexandra de Mohrenschildt)
(11H138)
Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether or where, I will put it that way, where Lee stayed between the 19th of October 1962, when he left the Y, and November 3, 1962, when they moved into the Elsbeth Street apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. I know that he stayed part of the time, I'd say a good portion of the time, at Mrs. Hall's. Now, whether he had another residence I don't know. I know he spent a few evenings with my father. If he spent a night there I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. When you say he spent a few evenings with your father, I infer from that--and if my inference is wrong please tell me that there were occasions when he stayed overnight in your father's home.
Mrs. GIBSON. No; not occasions. I think possibly one or two times. But he would be over there evenings and they would talk. Then he would leave. Now, where he went to I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. But your recollection is that there were at least several occasions in which he stayed overnight in your father's home?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I am trying very hard to think of where he stayed. It is such a very vague recollection, so vague it is barely there, that he had a room. But I don't know where.
Mr. JENNER. During this period?
Mrs. GIBSON. During that period; yes.
Mr. JENNER. From the 19th to the 3d?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; it is so vague but it is there, that he had a room somewhere. Where I don't know. I just can't think.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have a recollection that either you or your husband ever went to visit him at some room?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; Gary possibly, but me, no. Gary might have picked him up some place, but not me. I don't recall. It is just so vague and maybe it is just because you think there was one that I say this. But I feel. that there was a room some place.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have any recollection that your stepmother gave you at any time an address?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't.
Mr. JENNER. At which Lee, a place where Lee was staying during this period from October 19 to November 3?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't. She might have, but I have no recollection of it whatsoever. But then we weren't on too tremendously good terms and I might have just not even thought of what she said.
Mr. JENNER. In any event, it is your recollection that during this period, October 19 through November 3, that Lee did stay a good portion of the time at the Halls?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. With Marina?
Mrs. GIBSON. It seems to me that he had a place to live somewhere near where he was working, somewhere easily accessible on foot, to where he was working. (Is she thinking of the YMCA?)
Mr. JENNER. That is your former husband Gary's recollection, and he seemed reasonably confident that you would recall the address.
Mrs. GIBSON. No, no; no idea. Did Gary mention something about one night we were in Oak Cliff and we were looking for some place.
Mr. JENNER. He said you were looking for Oswald?
Mrs. GIBSON. Is that what he said? And we went up and down and up and down and we never found the place. I recall one evening, I don't remember what we were looking for, but I recall this.
Mr. JENNER. You were looking for Oswald?
Mrs. GIBSON. Is that who we were looking for?
Mr. JENNER. No; I----
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know, I am not sure, but one evening Gary and I were looking for some place, and I don't know where it was. But it was in Oak Cliff. It was right over the river. And we went up and down and back and forth for
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a good hour looking for this address. And I can't think of where it was, and we never found it. I do remember that. We never found it.
Mr. JENNER. But it had something to do with Oswald?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think it did. I think it had to do with a room that he had over there, but where it was, the address, I don't know. I never knew Oak Cliff very well in the first place.
Mr. JENNER. You say he was now employed and could afford a room?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; but I don't know where. I--we couldn't find it wherever it was, because we looked.
Mr. JENNER. But you did have an address at that time?
Mrs. GIBSON. I had an address for something I was looking for. What it was I don't know. If I was looking for him or if I was looking for somebody else, if Gary was looking for somebody, I don't recall. But it could possibly be that it was him that we were looking for. I don't know how Gary thinks I can remember an address, though. I don't.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall an occasion when you assisted Marina and Lee to move into the Elsbeth Street apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I do.
Mr. JENNER. What day of the week was that?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. Weekend.
Mr. JENNER. Was that a weekend?
Mrs. GIBSON. It seems reasonable that it would have been a weekend, but then with Gary working as a cabdriver, I don't know if it was or not, because he sometimes worked weekends.
WC testimony of George de Mohrenschildt at 10:00 AM on April 22, 1964
(9H166)
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That was a little bit later on--when he already moved to Dallas, he already had the job. But now I am trying to recall who moved him from Fort Worth to Dallas, and I think that was Gary Taylor, my ex-son-in-law, and Alex, my daughter. I think they both drove to Fort Worth.
I told them to do so--"Go to Fort Worth and help them, they have no car, they have no money--help them to move."
I think in the meantime Lee found a job at Jaggars, and was looking for a place to live, and found a place to live himself in Oak Cliff, this address which I don't remember now--the first address in Oak Cliff. He had two addresses. I forget the exact address. My wife will remember that.
WC testimony of Jeanne de Mohrenschildt taken at 4:45 PM on April 23, 1964.
(9H285)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43#relPageId=293&tab=page
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/demohr_j.htm
I said, "For God sakes, if we are to help them, I cannot race to Oak Cliff to help them with this or that"--if she had to go to the doctor. Why wouldn't they take a little place near us, it will be much easier for me to help her.
He had some reasons to live far away.
I don't know if anybody else mentioned that to you. That was everybody's impression. For some particular reason, he moved all the way out.
So, it is somewhere in Oak Cliff
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672&relPageId=400&search=Bouhe
On November 28, 1963 Bouhe was interviewed by SA John Flanagan about any possible relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Oswald. In the course of the interview, Bouhe "produced a card on which he kept addresses and this card bore the notation dated November 1, 1963, 602 Elsbeth..."
“Following his residence at the YMCA, he said Oswald secured a room in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, but he could not recall this address, nor did he have a record of it in his papers. At this point Mr. Bouhe produced a card on which he kept addresses.”
On January 29, 1964 George Bouhe is interviewed by SA Joe Abernathy.
Oswald 201 File, Vol 25 Part 2 of 2 page 28https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186&search=YMCA#relPageId=28&tab=page
“Bouhe, in thinking back, recalled that at some time or other, possibly after Oswald left the YMCA, Oswald may have mentioned that he had obtained a room possibly on Madison Street from someone named Carlton. Bouhe checked the current Dallas Telephone Directory and noted that the Madison-Carlton Hotel was listed at 1159 North Madison, Dallas, Texas. Bouhe could furnish no further information concerning the period of Oswald's residence from October 19, 1962 to November 2, 1962.”
WC testimony of George Bouhe March 23, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know where he moved when he checked out of the YMCA?
Mr. BOUHE - At some point thereabouts he threw at me when I asked, "Where do you live now?" He gave me, if I recall correctly, a name of the Carlton boarding house on Madison Avenue, but it proved to be wrong.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you tell the FBI that he told you he lived at the Carlton boarding house?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - The FBI checked it out and told you subsequently that he had not lived there?
Mr. BOUHE - That's correct. The FBI men went there, and it developed that Oswald told me a lie to send me on a wild goose chase, but the name strikes me somehow; and FBI rechecked this place and said it was a bum steer.
Mr. LIEBELER - As far as you know, the next place that Oswald lived after he moved out of the YMCA was in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas?
Mr. BOUHE - Madison is around the corner from somewhere he ultimately lived.
Mr. LIEBELER - He ultimately lived at 604 Elsbeth?
Mr. BOUHE - And on my card I have a date of November the 2d, 1962, that he found this apartment and moved there, but that I heard from others because by that time I lost all communication with them; didn't talk to him; didn't ask him anything, and he didn't call me.
Mr. LIEBELER - That would have been in November 1962, would it not, Mr. Bouhe, that he moved to the apartment you are speaking of?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; and I would say that is pretty good because I think the FBI agent told me they proved that, or something.
Mrs. HALL - Yes. And I think George Bouhe told me, or at least George Bouhe suggested him to stay in YMCA.
Mr. LIEBELER - You don't know of any other place that Oswald might have lived when he first went to Dallas other than the YMCA?
Mrs. HALL - No; I don't.
Okay, so Marina and Lee have separated. Marina moves in with Mrs. Hall and Lee moves into the YMCA. Mrs. Hall has a car accident in mid-October and goes in the hospital for ten days – until October 26th I think. Marina is living in the house alone. While she is there, Mrs. Hall's new boyfriend Alexander visits her.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hall_e.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know Mr. Alexander Kleinlerer?
Mrs. HALL - Yes. He was coming to my house while John and I were divorced. That was all.
Mr. LIEBELER - What?
Mrs. HALL - I said, that was all he was coming, you know.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did Mr. Kleinlerer tell you that during the time that you were in the hospital and subsequently when you were in New York, that he came to the house to see how Marina was and how she was getting along?
Mrs. HALL - Yes. He didn't tell me, but Mrs. Clark told me, because when I came back from New York, John was in Fort Worth already, and we got married after 2 days and I didn't see him any more. I didn't see this Kleinlerer any more.
Mr. LIEBELER - Have you ever seen him since then?
Mrs. HALL - No.
Mr. LIEBELER - You had no discussions yourself with Kleinlerer about what Marina was doing or who was at the house while you were gone?
Mrs. HALL - No. Mrs. Clark told me that sometime he would take Marina to grocery store, and sometimes she would take her.
Mr. LIEBELER - How did you make arrangements to pay for these groceries for Marina while you were in the hospital and you were in New York? Did you give her money, or did you have a charge account at the grocery store, or something like that? What was it?
Mrs. HALL - I didn't give her money that time.
Mr. LIEBELER - How did she get groceries during the time that you were gone to New York and during the time that you were in the hospital, do you know?
Mrs. HALL - I don't know. Maybe Mrs. Clark or Mr. Kleinlerer paid for her.
Mr. LIEBELER - But you yourself did not pay for any of her groceries?
Mrs. HALL - No; I did not.
Mr. LIEBELER - But during the time that you and Marina both were living at the house, you paid for the groceries, is that correct?
Mrs. HALL - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - How long did both you and Marina live in the house together?
Mrs. HALL - Well, I guess 2 weeks.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hall_j.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you have any idea where Oswald was living in Dallas during the time his wife was living in your house?
Mr. HALL - We understood - this is hearsay from George Bouhe, I guess - that he was living at the YMCA.
Mr. LIEBELER - As far as you knew, he moved directly from the YMCA to the apartments on Elsbeth Street, is that correct?
Mr. HALL - The next time we heard of him, he was living on Elsbeth.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/clark_m.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know whether Oswald ever stayed at Elena Hall's home while Elena was in the hospital?
Mr. CLARK - I have no way of knowing. I did not think he did. It was under my impression he was in Dallas at the time. In fact, we were quite surprised to see him that Sunday afternoon because we had formed the impression Marina and he had separated.
How did Oswald get from either the YMCA or this mysterious apartment in Oak Cliff out to Fort Worth on a Sunday?
Mr. CLARK - I think everyone (in the Dallas White Russian Community) was discussing that as to whether or not they should especially when he first came back and all of them asked me and I said "in my opinion he is a defector and you know what he is"
I said "As far as Oswald coming back here you can be assured or bet that when he returned to the United States the FBI has got him tagged and is watching his movements or I would be very much surprised."
Mr. LIEBELER - If they didn't -
Mr. CLARK - If they didn't, I said "You know that they know exactly where
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he is in town" and I said "I imagine they know who he is contacting because I know enough about the boys in the FBI; they would keep a record."
So, Oswald is either dodging the FBI, or working for them.
Mr. CLARK - Well, I know that the only time that we saw Oswald and Marina was in October of 1962, before she left for Dallas and I don't think that George DeMohrenschildt had come in contact with Oswald and Marina much before that time. I know that when they moved to Dallas, the Oswalds, George DeMohrenschildt, we would hear, would take Oswald and Marina around or had them over to his apartment several times and I know that during the Christmas holidays of 1962 they had a big party...”
Mr. LIEBELER - Can you think of any particular people, their names, as to this "DP" group that were suspicious or expressed suspicions because of Oswald's apparent ease with which he got out of Russia?
Mr. CLARK - Lydia Dymitruk and Alex Kleinlerer, the Mellers, Anna and Teofli Meller.
The “DP's” were the more recent Russian emigres
Affidavit of Alexander Kleinlerer June 16, 1964.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/kleinler.htm
8. Mrs. Hall was injured in an automobile accident in Fort Worth the evening of October 18, 1962. Marina and the child were residing in Mrs. Hall's home at this time. They had come to Mrs. Hall's home earlier in the month because Oswald had, we understood, lost his job and it had been agreed among Mrs. Hall, George Bouhe and the others that Oswald would go to Dallas to seek employment and Marina would stay with Mrs. Hall. Mrs. Hall was released from the hospital in the latter part of October, I think around October 26th. She spent a few days at home and on October 30, 1962, a date which I have checked from a receipt that I have, she left Fort Worth for Garden City, New York, to visit with friends. While away on this trip she was reunited with and remarried her former husband John Hall. My recollection is that they returned to Fort Worth about the 11th or 12th of November 1962, and in any event by the 15th. While Mrs. Hall was in the hospital and while she was visiting in New York, I frequently called at the Hall home during my lunch period (usually about 1:00 p.m.), at the request of Mrs. Hall, to inquire of Marina's needs and her welfare and to see that matters about the house were all right. I reported regularly to Mrs. Hall what my impressions were.
- During the periods Mrs. Hall was in the hospital and later in New York, Oswald came to the Hall home on several occasions on Friday night and stayed until late Sunday afternoon or early Sunday evening when he returned by bus to Dallas. Mrs. Hall's home is approximately 12 to 14 miles from the business district of Fort Worth, and it is approximately 30 to 32 miles from the Fort Worth business district to the business district of Dallas. A trip from Mrs. Hall's home to Dallas involves in travel some 40 or more miles.
I had met both Alexandra and Gary Taylor at the Hall's on a prior occasion. This was a weekday evening after Mrs. Hall returned from the hospital. (She got out of the hospital on October 26th). They had been eating dinner at Mrs. Halls home. I came to visit Mrs. Hall and was surprised to see them all at the table. Of course I left immediately since I hadn't been invited to the dinner. The Taylors brought Oswald with them in Taylor's car so that Oswald could visit Marina.
- In any event, I recall that nothing was heard from Oswald for a number of days after Marina came to Mrs. Halls to live. I assumed he was in Dallas, and knowing that the distance between Dallas and Mrs. Hall's home in Fort Worth was great, I thought relatively nothing of this, except that I thought that he should have telephoned.
Oswald 201 File, Vol 25 Part 2 of 2 page 37
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186&relPageId=37&search=Alexander_Kleinlerer
Kleinerer could furnish no information as to a possible place of residence for Lee Harvey Oswald for the period October 19 through November 2, 1962. In addition, he suggested that possibly George Bouhe of Dallas may know where Oswald stayed during this time.
Lee Harvey Oswald went to work at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on October 12, 1962. On October 15th, 1962, Oswald would move from a home in Fort Worth, Texas to room 415 at the YMCA in downtown Dallas where he would live from the 15th to the 19th of October. He vacated the YMCA and aside from his employment at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, he was incommunicado from the 19th of October, until the 3rd of November, 1962. Through the Warren Commission testimonies of the Taylors and the de Mohrenschildts, indications are that he was living in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. On November 3, 1962, Oswald moved his wife and child from a home in Fort Worth into Apartment# 2 at 604 Elsbeth St.
On November 1, 1963 Lee Oswald would apply for Post Office Box 6225. On his PO Box application, he would list 3610 N. Beckley as his home address. Why didn't he give 1026 as his home address?
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337065/m1/1/
So, he would move from the YMCA to Oak Cliff. Gary Taylor thought he was living at the Coz-I-Eight apartments.
In her Chronologies for October, 1962 (on page 78) Mary Ferrell locates the Coz-I-Eight apartments at 1306.N.Beckley.
He would repeat this process in 1963. On October 3, 1963 Oswald supposedly returned from Mexico and checked into room 601 of the YMCA. He would move from the YMCA to a rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley on October 15th.
When he applied for the PO Box, did he remember the apartment complex at 1306 and transpose the numbers like he did on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee pamphlets down in New Orleans in August?
Was there something significant in the northern section of Beckley St. that would cause Oswald to go from the YMCA in downtown Dallas to that section of Oak Cliff twice?
Question: How does Lee Oswald know Oak Cliff so well? How would he know about the rooming house on Carlton that he gave to George Bouhe?
The owner of the rooming house at 1026 N. Beckley, Mrs. Johnson, said that Oswald first came by looking for a room at 1026 about three weeks before he actually moved in.
Oswald apparently lived at Mary Bledsoe's house on N. Marsalis from the 7th to the 14th of October, but I thought what she said was very odd. In her WC testimony, she said, “Mrs. BLEDSOE - Had his things on his hand and had his bag, but after he paid my $7 he went out---I don't know, I think this YMCA, but I am not supposed to know where,...”
See Alexander Kleinlerer's Affidavit in (11H121). The Taylors brought Oswald to Mrs. Hall's home on a weeknight sometime between the time Mrs Hall got out of the hospital (October 26th) and the time she left for New York (October 30th). Where did the Taylors pick him up?
https://jfkcountercoup.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/rendezvous-at-dealey-plaza-ii/
Max Clark’s file states that he “worked closely” with I. B. Hale, the husband of Virginia Hale, who got Oswald the job at Leslie Welding. A former FBI agent who was the chief of industrial security at General Dynamics I.B. Hale and his wife Virginia separated in 1960, with twin sons Bobby and Billy staying with I.B. and son Thomas staying with Virginia.
But two weeks after I.B.Hale’s wife Virginia got Oswald a job, in August 1962, their sons traveled across state lines in order to break-in at the apartment of Judith Campbell (Exner), who was on an intimate basis with President John F. Kennedy as well as Mafia chieftains Sam Giancana and Johnny Rosselli. The break in at Campbell’s apartment was done in full view of an FBI stakeout team who checked out the Texas tags on the burglar’s car and recognized the sons of the Texas state football star and former FBI agent I. B. Hale.
As Simpich reasonably concludes, it seems that Hale and his sons “got caught up in a dramatic series of events that appear to have been designed to blackmail the Kennedy Administration into approving General Dynamics as the prime contractor over Boeing to build the TFX F-111 bomber at their Fort Worth plant. At the time this 7 billion dollar contract was the largest military contract in history.” In addition, one of the Hale boys had run off with the daughter of Texas Governor John Connally, and killed her by accident, or so the official reports concluded.
So in early October, 1962, Oswald was still working at the job at Leslie Welding, Marina was staying at Mrs. Halls while she recovered from an auto accident, and the other Russians give them food and financial assistance. But no one seemed to know where Oswald was staying. He didn’t stay at the Halls with Marina, and only stayed a few days at the YMCA, but there’s no record of where he stayed for weeks at a time during this period. The FBI even went back to interview every one of the White Russians Oswald met at this time and asked them one question, – do they know where Oswald was staying in October to early November, 1962? And every one said no.
According to Weberman, “Oswald checked out of the YMCA on October 19, 1962, and from October 19, 1962 to November 2, 1962, his address was a mystery to the Warren Commission. The Warren Report noted: “After Oswald left the YMCA on October 19, 1962, he moved to a room or apartment somewhere in Dallas which has not been located. It seems likely that during that time he spent several weekends with Marina at the Hall house.”
On October 9, 1962, Oswald went back to the offices of the Texas Employment Commission and asked to see Helen Cunningham, a counselor with the commission who he had been referred by Teofil Miller. Miller had been to a dinner party with the Oswalds learned of his search for a job, and had called Mrs. Cunningham, a friend of his, and asked her to help Oswald get a job more suited to his skills and background.
After skipping out on the Leslie Welding job without notice, Oswald was still owed two pay checks for the last days he had worked, and the frugal Oswald wanted the money but didn’t want to have to go back to pick it up in person.
So on October 9, 1962, the same day he put in for a new job with Mrs. Cunningham at the ever helpful Texas Employment Commission, Oswald walked into the Main Post Office in Dallas and ordered a post office box. He paid less than $5, used his real name Lee Harvey Oswald [See: Receipt for PO Box MFA ] and as a residence he gave the Dallas address of DeMohrenschildt’s daughter Alexandria and her husband Gary Taylor.
[BK Note: Mary Ferrell asks “Is this his first act of deception?,” but I don’t think so, not if he asked Gary Taylor if he could use his address to take out the PO box and as an address to give J/C/S, which also had Taylor’s address as Oswald’s address until he took out the PO box. So, no there was no first act of deception in using Taylor’s address here.]
Oswald was given P.O. Box 2915 and either one or two keys [See: Reference 1 and Receipt 2]. He then contacted Leslie Welding and asked them to send his final pay checks to that PO Box.
When Oswald endorsed his last two checks from Louv-R-Pac, he used the address of Gary Taylor. Although he never stayed there, Taylor had given Oswald permission to use his address and he did so on his Post Office box application and at Jaggers/Chiles/Stoval, his next job.
According to A. J. Weberman: Some of the signatures on the back of the Louv-R-Pac paychecks were not OSWALD’S. The FBI Laboratory examined the endorsements and compared them against the signature on OSWALD’S passport. They did not match, although Oswald had used his passport as identification to cash these checks, and his passport number was written on each one. The FBI stated: “Under date of December 5, 1963, the FBI Laboratory advised that the handprinting and handwriting of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, available in Bureau files, have been searched (Deleted) without effecting an identification.”…The HSCA examined 63 specimens of OSWALD’S signature, but none of the signatures on the Louv-R-Pac paychecks, although their existence had been brought to the attention of the HSCA by this researcher. The HSCA chose instead to examine: “A letter dated July 13, 1962, to Leslie Welding Co. signed LEE H. OSWALD; written on part of the page from a yellow legal pad. Blue ink. Ball point pen. Location: Archives.” [HSCA V8 p230]
George DeMohrenschildt had promised Oswald he would try to get him a good job that he would like, and through Teofil Miller and Mrs. Cunningham, that turned out to be at the Jaggers/Chiles/Stoval, a graphic arts firm.
Besides doing most of the advertising and commercial graphics for Dallas businesses, J/C/S also did classified work for the U.S. Army Map Service, placing numbers, names and captions on photographs, including high altitude photos taken by the U2 over Russia and Cuba.
A fellow employee, Dennis Ofstbin recalled that when they placed the names of some cities in Russia on a map, Oswald said he had been there.
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, in October, 1962, when no one knew where Oswald was living, he was working at a company that placed arrows and captions on photos taken by the U2 over Cuba, and J/C/S workers, including Oswald, may have placed the arrows and captions on the very props that were used to brief the President, and the President used to brief Congress and the UN during the crisis.”
[See: Oswald at J/C/S http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/12/u2-photos-of-cuba-oct-62.html ].
“It was while working at J/C/S that Oswald wrote the word “microdot” in his notebook, and it was while working at J/C/S when Oswald is said to have had the opportunity to produce the multiple faked IDs and documents, some of which included the use of the alias A. J. Hidell.”
In her Chronologies, Mary Ferrell has the following notes, but these may be based on George Bouhe's WC testimony:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=80&tab=page
October 12, 1962 Oswald calls George Bouhe at 6:00 PM and says “Im fine”.
October 15, 1962 Oswald calls George Bouhe at 6:00 PM and says,“I'm fine.”
October 16, 1962 Oswald calls George Bouhe and says, “Im fine.”
October 17, 1962 Oswald calls George Bouhe at 6:00 PM and says, “Im fine.”
October 18, 1962 Oswald calls George Bouhe at 6:00 PM and says, “I'm fine.”
On October 19th the calls stop. Oswald checks out of the YMCA and disappears for two weeks. He is working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall, but noone knows where he is living. Not his wife, not his bosses at JCS, not his co-workers, not his acquaintances.
According to the WC testimonies of Alexandra de Mohrenschildt and George Bouhe, it is a room somewhere in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas. George de Mohrenschildt said that Oswald “found himself a place to live.”
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20084/84b.pdf
see pages 15 – 21. None of Oswald's co-workers knew where he was living.
Mr. ROBERT L. STOVALL, President, Jaggars-Chiles Stovall Company, 522 Browder Street, Dallas, advised he had previously been interviewed by FBI Agents..*
Mr. STOVALL advised he had no personal knowledge as to LEE HARVEY OSWALD's residence during the period October 19 to November 3, 1962, during which time OSWALD was working for Jaggirs-Chiles-Stovall Company.
Ray Hawkins, Foreman, Photo Setter Department, Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall Company,.522 Browder_Street, Dallas Texas
advised that be had previously been interviewed by FBI Agents.
Mr. HAWKINS stated that he had no personal knowledge of LEE HARVEY OSWALD's residence from the period October 19 to November 3, 1962, during which time OSWALD was employed by Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall Company.
FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 84, pg 67
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57773#relPageId=67&tab=page
On January 29, 1964 Ofstein was interviewed by FBI Special Agents Allan Bray and Raymond Yelchak. “Mr. Ofstein advised he has no personal knowledge as to the residence of Lee Harvey Oswald from the period of October 19 to November 3, 1962, during which time Oswald was working for Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.”
Steve Thomas
OFSTEIN AND OSWALD
October 5, 2016
I believe in the possibility of coincidences as much as the next guy, but there are some coincidences that are kind of eerie. In this area, there are several that I can think of:
- Oswald and Ofstein were the same age. They were both born in 1939
- They both worked at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall
- They were both referred to JCS by Louise Latham at the Texas Employment Commission
- Ofstein went through the Monterey School of Language and the possibility exists that Oswald may have as well.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/ofstein.htm
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was in the Army, sir.
Mr. JENNER And when did you go in and when were you discharged?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I went in in August, I believe, in 1957, and I was discharged November 1960.
Mr. JENNER Did you take any work in the language school out in California at Monterey?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. What language did you study there?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Russian.
Mr. JENNER Tell me how that came about?
Mr. OFSTEIN Well, when I went in the service I was interested in radio--I was a disc jockey at the time, and the closest thing my recruiting sergeant said that I could get to radio would be possibly with the Army security agency, so I signed up, and after basic training I went to Fort Devens, Mass., and was held there on a temporary status while the agency determined what type training I should have, and I was given a language ability test and passed that and had a choice of three languages to take, and Russian was my first choice and I was sent to Monterey to study.
This sounds pretty benign, almost like he was a radio disk jockey in the army...except for a couple of things which I'll get into later.
I was puzzled by the term “Army Security Agency” and the fact that the “Agency determined what type of training I should have”.
Mr. OFSTEIN. I reside in Dallas at the present time; I was born in St. Louis and I have lived in Florida for the most part of my life.
Mr. JENNER. And are you a married man?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. How long have you lived in Dallas?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Approximately 3 years.
Mr. JENNER. You were already employed by Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall when Lee Oswald came there, were you?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes sir.
Mr. JENNER. And how long had you been employed there when Lee Harvey came with the company?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was hired in March, 2 years ago, 1962--I would say approximately 9 months.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall when he came about approximately when?
Mr. OFSTEIN. October 1962.
Mr. OFSTEIN. For the past 2 years I have been with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall as a cameraman.
Mr. JENNER As a cameraman?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. What was your work immediately prior to that, by whom, were you employed?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was working for Sinclair Refining Co. at a local service station.
Mr. JENNER. Here in Dallas?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Ofstein was discharged in November, 1960 and had lived in Dallas for three years. So almost immediately after being discharged, he relocates to Dallas where he takes a job working in a gas station?
When George de Mohrenschildt first visited Haiti in 1956, he was working for the Sinclair Oil Company.
Department of State Incoming Telegram No. 013865, Dec. 19, 1963, House Select Committee on Assassinations (contained in JFK Document No. 009963)
de Mohrenschildt would help Oswald get a job at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall in 1962.
Now, I don't know many Sinclair Service Stations there were in Dallas in 1961 and 1962. I've asked the Dallas Historical Society if they can provide one.
A Bob Johnston from the Dallas Historical Society Forum wrote me and said, “I do know of one other on Hampton Road during that time that my cousin by marriage, J. H. "Red" Bland, owned, but that's it.
And, another one
Former Sinclair station
622 N Haskell Ave
Dallas, TX
In recent years, this former Sinclair station has housed several restaurants. It is now home to the MaD Foodery restaurant. The decorations on top of the columns are not part of the original station design.
inclTexas Sinclair Gas Stations
http://www.roadarch.com/gas/txsinclair2.html
Haskell is way out on the northwest side of Dallas
However, there was another one also, and wouldn't this be ironic if this is where Ofstein worked?
(There was a Sinclair Service Station at 1820 N. Beckley in Dallas)
At 12:45 PM on November 22, 1963 Gene Andre Guinn, age 31 of 636 Lacewood was arrested along with the Joiners for picketing at the Dallas Trade Mart. Guinn was a member of the White Indignant Citizens Council. . Guinn was also suspected of printing the “Wanted For Treason” leaflets.
According to the Mary Ferrell Chronologies, “Guinn runs for political offices and seems to be a right winger” (He ran for City Council in 1965.) His address would be in Police District 84, which Officer Tippitt had been assigned in the past. This street is near O'Bannon street where Mrs. Stella Jacob lives. She formerly lived at 508 S. Marsalis and she works at the TSBD.”
In a handwritten note to the Guinn citation, Ferrell adds, “He owned Sinclair Station, 1820 N. Beckley; member of hate group; did Rockwell's printing?”.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40392&relPageId=183&search=Gene_Guinn
Jack Revill wrote a memo to Captain Gannaway about the subversive groups under surveillance prior to Kennedy's visit.
Dallas Municipal Archives and Records Center : Box 13, Folder 4, Item 52
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/27/2705-002.gif and
jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/.../Poster%205.doc
“The only demonstrators observed at the DALLAS TRADE MART were members of the INDIGNANT WHITE CITIZENS COUNCIL. Six of those individuals were taken into custody shortly after knowledge of the assassination became known. This step was taken to prevent theses persons from being assaulted by spectators at the scene. The arrested persons of this group are as follows:
BOBBY JOINER
RAYMOND LEE JOINER
GARY DWAYNE JOINER
ROY EUGENE JOINER
GENE AURORA GUINN
WILLIAM L E CUMMINGS”
(I have seen his name spelled Gene Andre Guinn, Gene Audra Guinn, and Gene Aurora Guinn).
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was laid off by Sinclair Refining Co. and I registered with the Texas Employment Commission.
Mr. JENNER. Did anybody in particular handle that over there at the Commission?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I don't recall who the person was at the time.
Mr. JENNER. A lady or a gentleman?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I'm fairly certain it was a young lady and they sent me to Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall.
Mr. JENNER. Does the name Latham--Louise Latham trigger any recollection?
Mr. OFSTEIN. The name is familiar--whether she was there or not--I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. Is that name familiar in connection with the Texas Employment Commission?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Out of the blue, Jenner asks Ofstein if he knew Lousie Latham.
John Graef testified before the Warren Commission on March 30, 1964.
Mr. GRAEF. That's correct--I'll have to recall as best I can.
“In about October 1962, as director of our photographic department we found ourselves in need of another man, so at this time I called the Texas Employment Commission and spoke to them about sending me someone having as close as possible the abilities that might work out in our photographic department.”
”Mr. JENNER. Would you tell us what you told her in that connection, as best as you can reconstruct it, giving us her name--it was a her?
Mr. GRAEF. “I believe I remember--yes--Louise Latham”. “They have a larger pool to draw from, so I called--in the course of my dealing with them they have various departments and in the course of dealing with them, I became familiar with one person.” “... So, I called this person repeatedly--after the first call or two--this has gone on now over several years and she knew the type person I was looking for and the type of experience that I was looking for, so I called her, and her name was Louise Latham.”
Mr. JENNER. Where had you learned to decipher Russian characters?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I learned this while I was in the service.
Mr. JENNER. Where were you stationed?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was stationed in Germany for the active part of my tour. I was stationed in California for my training and at the various and sundry other little towns for basic training and temporary status.
Mr. JENNER Did you take any work in the language school out in California at Monterey?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. What language did you study there?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Russian.
Mr. OFSTEIN Well, when I went in the service I was interested in radio--I was a disc jockey at the time, and the closest thing my recruiting sergeant said that I could get to radio would be possibly with the Army security agency, so I signed up, and after basic training I went to Fort Devens, Mass., and was held there on a temporary status while the agency determined what type training I should have, and I was given a language ability test and passed that and had a choice of three languages to take, and Russian was my first choice and I was sent to Monterey to study.
Mr. JENNER. And how long were you at Monterey?
Mr. OFSTEIN. One year.
Mr. JENNER. And was that entire year spent in the study of the Russian language?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And I assume, with an entire year's study at that special school of Monterey, you acquired a facility with the language, did you?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Not as well as I should have; no, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And why was that?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Well, I was a little on the young side then and I was interested in other things and the freedom to leave the post and go to town and the availability of recreation there deterred my studies.
Mr. JENNER. I see you acquired some facility in reading Russian?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And some facility in speaking Russian?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was this conversational Russian?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir
Mr. JENNER. What about writing Russian?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes, sir; all that was covered.
Mr. JENNER. And at the end of the 1 year what happened?
Mr. OFSTEIN. I was sent to an oversea duty station in Germany and completed my tour there.
Mr. JENNER. Did you pursue your study of the Russian language at anytime from the time you left Monterey until the present?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Only in little--what you might say, self study in spurts.
Mr. JENNER. All right. I interrupted you--you told him you could handle few characters?
Mr. OFSTEIN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did you then tell him about your study of the Russian language when you were in the Army?
“Mr. OFSTEIN. No, sir; he asked me where I had learned it and I told him I had picked it up during the time I was in the service, as well as the German language, which I picked up while I was stationed in Germany,...”
So, Ofstein spends a yea studying Russian, and also picks up German while he was stationed in Germany.
William Kelly in the Education Forum Posted 27 July 2006 - 05:24 AM
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7527
"...a number of other figures did spend time there, including Ralph Meyers, the son of Ruby's friend Larry Meyers. Ralph was Army Security Agency,
JFKcountercoup
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/09/monterey-language-institute-presidio.html
Dick Russell, in The Man Who Knew To Much wrote: The official record on Oswald makes no mention of his having received official tutelage in any language during his Marine years. However, at a Warren Commission executive session whose minutes were declassified in 1974, chief counsel J. Lee Rankin is quoted saying of Oswald: “We are trying….to find out what he studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages.” (This was an Executive Session on January 27, 1964).
California’s Monterey School, where Ricahrd Nagell had received his own extensive language training, was still quite active when Oswald was stationed in California in 1959...
In Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100wholho.html
It is noted:
However, Lee Oswald wasn't trained in Russian, and his military file discloses no such training. Several of his fellow Marines recalled Oswald teaching himself Russian, and he apparently requested to take a written examination to test his knowledge. The examination is part of Oswald's USMC file, and no attempt was made to conceal it from the Warren Commission. The existence of the exam was voluntarily disclosed to the Commission during the deposition of Lt. Col. Allison G. Folsom of the Marine Corps's Personnel Department, Records Branch.(23)
23. Warren Commission Hearings, Vol. VIII, p. 307. There has been speculation that Oswald attended classes at the Army's Monterey Language School (now the Defense Language Institute), fueled by a statement of Lee Rankin, chief counsel to the Warren Commission, that the Commission was looking into a rumor that Oswald had attended classes at the school. The Commission investigated the matter and concluded that Oswald had not studied there. As author Gerald Posner notes, Monterey was not an intelligence facility, and its records show that Oswald never attended a single class there. (Gerald Posner, Case Closed [New York: Random House, 1993], p. 63.)
The Career of Lee Harvey OswaldBy Jeremy Bojczuk
http://22november1963.org.uk/the-career-of-lee-harvey-oswald
The Warren Commission appears to have heard, from sources not yet publicly identified, that Oswald had received instruction from the Defense Language Institute: “We are trying to run that down to find out what he studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages” (Warren Commission Executive Session, 27 January 1964, p.192). He had spent about three months at a marine base not far from Monterey: Warren Commission Document 113. According to the portion of his Marine Corps record that has been made public (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.19, pp.656ff), Oswald had been tested in the Russian language while in the marines, which implies that he had been taught Russian while in the marines. Needless to say, foreign language tuition and testing were not normally part of Marine Corps life. Oswald had no significant knowledge of any other foreign language.
The WC Executive Session was on January 27, 1964
Folsom testified on May 1, 1964
This was four months later. While Folsom makes no mention of Oswald attending the Monterey School, it would seem that that the Warren Commission could have resolved that question beteen January and May
WC testimony of Lt. Col. Allison G. Folsom, on May 1, 1964 (WC VIII) p. 307 concerning a Department of the Army Russian exam given to Oswald in February, 1959.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=36#relPageId=315&tab=page
Colin Crow:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=11247.25;wap2
“OFSTEIN said this statement aroused his suspicions and he asked Sgt. TOM CRIGLER, who is employed with the U. S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas, and is a resident of the Oak Cliff area of Dallas, regarding this. He said he told CRIGLER he had run into a fellow at work who had spent some time in Russia and he wondered if the FBI should run a security check on him inasmuch as he, OFSTEIN, did not want to jeopardize his own status for any possible future security clearances in the event he ever returned to the U. S. Army."
The problem with the above is the fact that Sgt. Tom Crigler told the FBI that Ofstein contacted him in August, 1963. Five months AFTER Oswald had left Jaggars. Why would Ofstein suddenly want the FBI to run a check on Oswald in August, 1963 when he allegedly hadn't seen the guy in five months? Why would Ofstein be concerned about "future security clearances" a minimum of five months after Oswald had spoken to him about "microdots" and three months before the assassination? Why did Ofstein say it was the "microdot" conversation that pushed him into the Crigler meeting but fail to mention the meeting was in August?
Ofstein also states that Oswald gave him the details of his P.O. Box address in Dallas and that he sent a letter to it after Oswald had left the company asking (AGAIN) if Oswald and his wife wanted to visit his house for dinner.”
On December 9, 1963 Thomas Crigler was interviewed by the FBI. He said that he met Olfstein “accidentally” on the street.
See FBI interview of Crigler December 9, 1963:
CD 205 p. 478
https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=481&tab=page
Thomas H. Crigler, Jr., 1705 McAdams, advised he is currently a Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army Security Agency, Field Representative, assigned to U.S. Army Recruiting Station, Dallas. He advised that he and Dennis Ofstein were assigned to the same U.S. Army branch in Europe and that he knew Ofstein from about June, 1960 to December, 1960 purely as another person attached to the same unit with him. He said that he had never become socially or well acquainted with Ofstein at that time. He said the caption of their group was the 507th USASA Group, Heilbron, West Germany.”
However, he said later in his FBI interview that about a week after meeting Ofatein in the street in August, Ofstein and his family came to Crigler's house, and that twice mor he and his wife visited Ofstein at his (Ofstein's) house.
In researching the 507th UASA Group:
https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm
In contrast to Vietnam where airborne COMINT was playing a significant role in the 1960s, there was no need for airborne COMINT assets in Europe where the ASA collected COMINT via a well-established network of fixed Field Stations.”
“Our mission was communications monitoring and intercept “
According to Wikileaks the Army Security Agency:
“The Agency existed between 1945 and 1976 and was the successor to Army signal intelligence operations dating back to World War I. ASA was under the operational control of the Director of the National Security Agency (DIRNSA), located at Fort Meade, Maryland; but had its own tactical commander at Headquarters, ASA, Arlington Hall Station, VA.”
"Composed of soldiers trained in military intelligence, the ASA was tasked with monitoring and interpreting military communications of the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and their allies and client states around the world. The ASA was directly subordinate to the National Security Agency and all major field stations had NSA technical representatives present.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Security_Agency
These are two very interesting websites. Many of the men went through the Language School at Monterey. They were on the front lines of the East/West tensions at the height of the Cold War in Germany. Their job was to monitor, intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic:
https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm
In May 1951, HHC, 502nd Communications Reconnaissance (Comm Rcn) Group was activated at Ft. Devens, MA. The unit received orders to move to Germany in June 1952. Upon arrival in Europe, the Group was assigned to HQ ASA, Europe and ordered to Badenerhof Kaserne in Heilbronn. The 502nd was probably further attached to the Seventh Army and assigned the mission of providing signal intelligence and security support to the field army and its subordinate units. At this time, the 502d Group also assumed control of the 302d and 307th Communications Reconnaissance Battalions which were already in country.
On 15 October 1957, the 502nd ASA Gp was redesignated as 507th USASA Gp.
The 507th reported directly to Headquarters USA Europe.
see also:
http://www.picturetrail.com/bennettpics
Paul Mowrey, Det K-1, Coburg, 1957-58:
https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/ASA%20Europe/USAREUR_ASAE.htm
“The primary mission at Coburg when I was there was intercepting Russian and German voice traffic, mostly tank units in some phase of their training cycle. I was part of about 10 students who graduated from the ASA Voice Intercept School in Feb, 1957. After the surge in traffic from the Hungarian Revolution and perhaps to attain more central control over what is going on, the Army decided to upgrade Russian language transcription services. This effort was headed by CWO Owen Yates in the 502nd (GP) in Heilbronn.
All transcription material from Lübeck, Bahrdorf, Coburg, and Passau came to Heilbronn to be checked or cross referenced. After we gained some experience we were sent out to the 302nd and 307th.”
So, Ofstein went to the Monterey School of Languages where he studied Russian for a year, and knew German which he had “picked up while he was in Germany” working for a military unit who job it was to intercept and translate Russian and East German military radio traffic.
Ofstein deserves a closer look, and I'd like to see his military records to see what his Unit and military designation was. Things don't seem quite so “benign” now.
Steve Thomas
HOW DID THE POLICE FIRST LEARN THAT OSWALD LIVED AT 1026 N. BECKLEY?
I first posed the question on November 22, 2004 in the Education Forum JFK Assassination Seminars.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2331-how-did-the-police-first-learn-of-1026-n-beckley/
How did the police first learn that Oswald lived at 1026 N. Beckley?
(last updated 01/29/2018)How did the police first learn that Oswald lived at 1026 N. Beckley?
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His employment records at the TSBD listed him at 2515 W. 5th St. in Irving. So how did they know about Beckley?
This bothered the Warren Commission as well. At a March 2, 1964 staff meeting, Mr. Redlich was assigned the task of determining how the police happened to go to 1026 N. Beckley. (See page 9 of that staff meeting record.)
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10393&relPageI=9
Arthur C. Johnson, the owner of the rooming house on Beckley told the Warren Commission (10H303)
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, they just came down there looking for--uh--Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. Did they say what his full name was?
Mr. JOHNSON. Yes, I believe they did.
Mr. BELIN. Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. JOHNSON. I believe they did.
Mr. BELIN. Did they say how they happened to come there?
Mr. JOHNSON. "Well, uh--after he was--uh--apprehended out there, they searched him and found my address in his pocket.
Mr. BELIN. Your address of 1026 North Beckley?
Mr. JOHNSON. That's right.
I've never seen that piece of paper in any of the Police Department evidence sheets.
In addition, that's not how the police tell it.
Detective Bob Carroll was the officer who grabbed Oswald's pistol out of his hand and stuck in his belt at the Texas Theater. He drove the car that carried Oswald back to City Hall. (7H25)
Concerning the car ride back to City Hall:
Mr. BELIN. Did he give his name?
Mr. CARROLL. He gave, the best I recall, I wasn't able to look closely, but the best I recall, he gave two names, I think. I don't recall what the other one was.
Mr. BELIN. Did he give two names? Or did someone in the car read from the identification?
Mr. CARROLL. Someone in the car may have read from the identification. I know two names, the best I recall, were mentioned.
Mr. BELIN. Were any addresses mentioned?
Mr. CARROLL. Not that I recall; no, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever hear anyone say anything about his having an address on North Beckley or on Beckley Street?
Mr. CARROLL. I heard later, but I couldn't say who it was that said it.
Mr. BELIN. When you say later, you mean later than what?
Mr. CARROLL. Later that day.
Mr. BELIN. Was this after you relinquished custody of Oswald?
Mr. CARROLL. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Up to that time had you heard it?
Mr. CARROLL. I don't recall hearing it prior to the time I was in the city hall.
Guy Rose was one of the first police officers to talk to Oswald when they arrived at the station. He told the WC: (7H229)
Mr. Ball: Did you ask him what his address was?
Mr. Rose: Yes, but from there, he wouldn’t tell me – He just said, “You just find out”.
Mr. Ball: Now, did anybody ever tell you that his address was 1026 N. Beckley?
Mr. Rose: Later they did – right then they didn’t: no sir.
Mr. Ball: You didn’t know it at that time?
Mr. Rose; No sir, I didn’t
Detective Richard Sims sat in on Oswald's first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM (7H158)
Mr. BALL There was one time there that you learned that he had a room at 1026 North Beckley--when did you learn that?
Mr. SIMS. I don't know when that was, now, that was found out that first day, I believe...
Mr. BALL. Can you tell me whether or not you are the one that found out he had a room at 1026 North Beckley?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't.
Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you that?
Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don't believe he did.
On Friday afternoon November 22nd, 3 Dallas Police Officers and 3 Dallas Co. Sheriff's Deputies were dispatched to 2515 W. Fifth St. in Irving Texas. Oswald had been arrested at about 1:50PM, arrived at City Hall after 2:00 PM and was taken into Captain Fritz's office at 2:20PM.
Police Officers Adamcik (7H202), Rose (7H227) and Stovall (7H186) are unanimous in saying that Captain Fritz dispatched them to Irving at 2:30 PM. They are also unanimous in saying that when they arrived at this address, they had to wait for 35-40 minutes for the Deputy Sheriffs to arrive since Irving was outside their jurisdiction.
In his after-action report filed with Chief Curry (City of Dallas archives - JFK Collection) Box 3, Folder# 1, Item# 3 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
Guy Rose wrote that after the Deputies showed up, they arrived at the front door at 3:30PM.
Harry Weatherford, Buddy Walthers, and J. L. Oxford were the deputies dispatched to Irving. You can find their accounts in the Supplementary Reports they filed with Sheriff Decker in volume 19 of the WC Hearings. Walthers, Weatherford and Sheriff Decker all said that Ruth Paine gave them a telephone number where Oswald could be reached and that they criss-crossed that number and came up with the Beckley St. address.
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
Detective B.L. Senkel also said in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they arrived at 1026 N. Beckley at 3:00PM.
They checked the register and found that Oswald had been living there since October 14th.
Because of that 40 minute wait at the Irving address, the police actually arrived at the Beckley St. address BEFORE they searched the Irving address. They did not search the room on Beckley until Detective Turner, David Johnston, and Deputy DA Bill Alexander arrived with a search warrant at 4:30 or 5:00PM (Potts, Dallas City Archives - JFK Collection)
So, if the police had already been at Beckley for 30 minutes before they began the search at Irving to find a telephone number that they criss-crossed, how did they know about Beckley?
According to both Chief Curry (4H181) and Captain Will Fritz,(4H248) the Dallas Police did not have Lee Harvey Oswald in their police files.
According to Will Fritz, someone, whose name he could not remember gave him Oswald's Beckley address before he began interrogating Oswald:
(4H207)
Mr. FRITZ. When I started to talk to this prisoner or maybe just before I started to talk to him, some officer told me outside of my office that he had a room on Beckley, I don't know who that officer was, I think we can find out, I have since I have talked to you this morning I have talked to Lieutenant Baker and he says I know maybe who that officer was, but I am not sure yet.
(4H210)
Mr. Ball. Was there anything said about where he lived?
Mr. Fritz. Where he lived? Right at that time?
Mr. Ball. Yes
Mr. Fritz. I am sure I had no way of asking him where he lived, but I am not too sure about that – just how quick he told me because he corrected me, I thought he lived in Irving and he told me he didn’t live in Irving. He lived on Beckley as the officer had told me outside.
Mr. BALL. Some officer told you that he thought this man had a room on Beckley?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; so then I talked to him and I asked him where his room was on Beckley.
Mr. BALL. All right. Now, Captain, about what time did you first bring him to your office?
Mr. FRITZ. Let's see, I have it right here. Oswald was arrested at 1:40 and I think he was taken to the city hall about 2:15 and I started talking to him probably a little bit after that.
Mr. BALL. On page 237 of your report, your report of Sims and Boyd refers to a time that he was brought to your room, and I believe 165.
Mr. FRITZ. My report, my report should have a report right there that should show it. This shows here 2:15 and I don't think that is right.
Mr. BALL. Mr. Baker's report on 165 gives the time also.
(the 165 being referred to here is p. 165 of CD 81b)
(CD 81b starts on p. 311 of CD 81)
(Sims' and Boyd's report of 2:20 PM is on p. 495 of CD 81)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=495&tab=page
(the 237 being referred to here is p. 237 of CD 81b
This is p. 568 of CD 81)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=568&tab=page
This time also says that Oswald was brought in to Fritz's office at 2:20 PM
Oswald's interrogation began around 2:20. FBI agent James Hosty, who may have gotten Oswald's phone number from Ruth Paine during one of his two visits on November 1st and 5th and could have criss-crossed the number earlier, did not arrive at Police Headquarters until 3:15PM. By then, Will Fritz already had the Beckley adddress.
So, if the Dallas Police did not have Oswald in their files, and according to both Curry and Fritz, “had never heard of him”, how did this unnamed Officer know about Beckley?
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
Detective B.L. Senkel also said in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they arrived at 1026 N. Beckley at 3:00PM.
I have come to believe that it was Billy Senkel who was the “un-named officer” gave Fritz Oswald's Beckley St. address. Senkel, who rode in the Pilot Car with Army Reserve Officers George Lumpkin, George Whitmeyer, who was dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley, and when arriving asked for Harvey Lee Oswald.
Find the answer to who that officer was who gave it to Fritz and you might begin to learn who set Oswald up.
Fritz told the WC that "an officer" whose name he couldn't remember stopped him out in the hall before he went in to interview Oswald for the first time, and told him that Oswald lived on Beckley.
What if he made that up?
In his Deposition of April 16, 1964, Sheriff Decker presented the Commission with a dark brown heavy folder with a label marked on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
(12H51) (Decker Exhibit# 5323)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=7795#relPageId=61&tab=page
WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. Do you remember the day the President was shot?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; I remember it---who would forget that?
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
And again...
Mr. BALL. And you didn't have that name you didn't ever know his name was Lee Oswald?
Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.
WC testimony of Arthur Clark Johnson (owner of 1026 N. Beckley)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm
Mr. BELIN. Now, what did Mrs. Roberts say about this man having been at the home earlier that day--this O. H. Lee, which they had identified as Harvey Oswald?
Fritz told the WC that "an officer" whose name he couldn't remember stopped him out in the hall before he went in to interview Oswald for the first time, and told him that Oswald lived on Beckley.
What if he made that up?
Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission lists the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"
(12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
When the police got to Beckley, they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.
Fritz, Sims, Boyd, and Decker all speak of a curious little encounter just after Fritz emerges from the TSBD. They have found the rifle and learned that Oswald lives in Irving. Fritz is all hot to trot. He's determined to go charging off to Irving taking Sims and Boyd with him.
Fritz told the Warren Commission,
Mr. BALL. How long did you stay at the Texas School Book Depository after you found the rifle?
Mr. FRITZ. After he told me about this man almost, I left immediately after he told me that.
Mr. BALL. You left almost immediately after he told you that?
Mr. FRITZ. Almost after he told me that man, I felt it important to hold that man.
Mr. BALL. Did you give descriptions to Sims and Boyd?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I told them to drive me to city hall and see if the man had a criminal record and we picked up two other officers and my intentions were to go to the house at Irving.”
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm
Just as he's about to head off, Decker sends word that he wants to talk to Fritz just a minute. What was the subject of that little conversation? None of them are asked by the WC, and none of them volunteer.
In his WC testimony, Richard Sims told the Commission that he waited out in the hall while Fritz went in to talk to Decker.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sims.htm
“Mr. SIMS. Captain Fritz went over and talked to Sheriff Decker. He sent word he wanted to talk to Captain Fritz, so we talked to the sheriff and then we went to the city hall.
Mr. BALL. Where was Decker when he said he wanted to talk to Fritz?
Mr. SIMS. Well, I didn't go inside the sheriff's office--I stayed out in the corridor there.”
Whatever it was, all of a sudden Fritz changes his mind, heads into the office, keeps Sims and Boyd with him, and sends other police officers to check out Irving.
WC testimony of Elmer Boyd
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/boyd.htm
Mr. BALL. Did you go to Decker's office with Fritz?
Mr. BOYD. Yes sir.
Mr. BALL. And then you went with Fritz up to your office?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And did Fritz send somebody else out to Irving, or do you remember?
Mr. BOYD. I think later on, I believe, he sent someone else out there.
Mr. BALL. He told you to stay there at the police department, did he?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Did Fritz make up the story about an officer telling him out in the hall before he went in to interview Oswald the first time that Oswald lived on Beckley in an effort to conceal where he really got that information? Did he get the name Harvey Lee Oswald and that he lived on Beckley from Decker when he stopped in to see Decker on his way back from the TSBD? The other officers who were with Fritz when he went to see Decker (Sims and Boyd, I think) told the WC that they waited out in the hall and Fritz went in to talk to Decker alone. Did Decker get that information from somebody connected to military intelligence?
In the National Archives, there is a message dated November 26, 1963 from the Commanding General, U.S. Continental Army Command re-transmitting a message dated November 23, 1963 from someone at Fort Sam Houston, in San Antonio to CINC U.S. Strike Command at McDill Air Force Base in Florida. The November 23rd message summarizes a telephone conversation between a Captain Saxton in Strike Command and a Lieutenant Colonel Fons, Deputy Chief of Staff, Intelligence at 4th Army Headquarters at Fort Sam Houston that took place on November 23, 1963. In the middle of this summary, there is this passage:
“ASSISTANT CHIEF DON STRINGFELLOW, INTELLIGENCE SECTION, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOTIFIED 112TH INTC GP, THIS HQ, THAT INFORMATION OBRAINED FROM OSWALD REVEALED HE HAD DEFECTED TO CUBA IN 1959 AND IS CARD CARRYING MEMBER OF COMMUNIST PARTY EVALUATION B-3
(FOUO) DCSI COMMENT , FBI, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND SAN ANTONIO LIGHT NEWSPAPER STATED OSWALD TRAVELED TO MOSCOW, USSR, IN 1959. POSSIBILITY EXISTS THAT OSWALD MAY HAVE TRAVELED TO USSR VIA CUBA, IN VIEW OF ABOVE INFORMATION UNCOVERED BY DALLAS POLICE.”
In November, 1963 Leonard Don Stringfellow was a Detective in the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Dallas Police Department Special Services Bureau, headed by Captain W. P. Gannaway.
What is interesting about this document is that is says that Detective Stringfellow “notified 112th Intelligence Group, this Headquarters…”
I believe that this message was the one Col. Robert Jones, formerly of the 112 Military Intelligence Group in San Antonio was asked about during his testimony before the HSCA on April 20, 1978. (History Matters Archive – Unpublished testimony of Robert Jones, pp. 55-57.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/unpub_testimony/Jones_4-20-78/html/jones_0055a.htm
Jones told the HSCA that while he did not know who prepared the cable, the cable was prepared by Mr. Arthur Nagle on the staff of the Chief of Staff, Intelligence, Fort Sam Houston. The From line on the original cable reads: FM CGASARFOUR FTSAMHOUSTON TEX. This could be Commanding General, Assistant Secretary, Fourth Army Headquarters Fort Sam Houston. He also definitely said that the original cable had not been prepared by the 112th.
The RIF for this document reads as follows:
AGENCY INFORMATION
AGENCY : USA
RECORD NUMBER : 197-10002-10369
RECORDS SERIES : HEADQUARTERS FILES, PENTAGON TELECOMMUNICATIONS CENTER
DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR : COMMANDING GENERAL US CONTINENTAL ARMY COMMAND
FROM :
TO : CINC, US STRIKE COMMAND
TITLE : INFORMATION ON FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE
DATE : 11/26/1963
PAGES : 3
DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER, TEXTUAL DOCUMENT
SUBJECTS : MILITARY DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE (SECURITY
RISKS/COUNTERINTELLIGENCE); MILITARY DOMESTIC
SURVEILLANCE (FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITTEE); LEE
HARVEY OSWALD; COLLINS, BARBARA; GIBSON, RICHARD; OSWALD, HARVEY LEE: BACKGROUND INFORMATION, CONNECTION WITH COMMITTEE; MEMBER OF COMMUNIST PARTY; TRAVEL TO USSR, CUBA; OSWALD, MARINA NIKOLAEVNA: SPOUSE; STRINGFELLOW, DON: ASST CHIEF, INTELLIGENCE SECTION, DALLAS POLICE DEPT; MILITARY INTELLIGENCE LIAISON WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT (DALLAS POLICE)
CLASSIFICATION : UNCLASSIFIED
RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL
CURRENT STATUS : OPEN
DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/30/1996
COMMENTS : COPY ATTACHED
Ironically, several of the individuals referenced in the original cable were with President Kennedy four days before his assassination when he visited McDill Air Force Base in Tampa on November 18th. In an article published by Frank DeBenedict is entitled:
FOUR DAYS BEFORE DALLAS: JFK IN TAMPA
http://www.lib.usf.edu/ldsu/digitalcollections/T06/journal/v16n2_94/v16n2_94_57.pdf, DeBenedictis writes:
“While Suncoast residents moved into their stadium and motorcade viewing spots, the
Presidential party was landing at MacDill Air Force Base for a military welcome. On hand to greet Kennedy were General Paul D. Adams, Commander in Chief U.S. Strike Command; Lieutenant General Bruce K. Holloway, Adams’ deputy; General Walter Sweeney, Commander of TAC and headquartered at Langley A.F.B., Virginia; and General John K. Waters, Commander in Chief Continental Army Command, Ft. Monroe, Virginia.”
At first, I thought FBI SA James Hosty was the source of information to the police department about Oswald's 1026 N. Beckley address since he was in charge of Oswald’s file but if he can be believed, he didn't know Oswald's address.
Hosty (4H440 +) concerning his November 1st visit with Ruth Paine:
"I then told her the purpose of my visit, that I was interested in locating the whereabouts of Lee Oswald.
She readily admitted that Mrs. Marina Oswald and Lee Oswald's two children were staying with her. She said that Lee Oswald was living somewhere in Dallas. She didn't know where. She said it was in the Oak Cliff area but she didn't have his address".
Concerning his November 5th visit:
Mr. Hosty. Well, I was on my way to Fort Worth, and I did not have his residence. I thought I would stop by. Mrs. Paine told me she would attempt to locate where he was living. It was not too much out of my way, so I just drove over to Mrs. Paine's. I had another agent with me that day.
Mr. Stern. Who Was that?
Mr. Hosty. Agent Gary S. Wilson. We went to the front porch. I rang the bell, talked to Mrs. Paine, at which time she advised me that Lee Oswald had been out to visit her, visit his wife, at her house over the Weekend, but she had still not determined where he was living in Dallas...
Mr. Stern. Did you take any action on this case. between November 5 and November 22?
Mr. Hosty. No, sir.
However, Hosty was contradicted by SS Inspector Thomas Kelley.
Thomas Kelley was an Inspector with the Secret Service. He was dispatched from Louisville, KY to handle the Secret Service end of things and arrived in Dallas at 10:30PM.
Thomas Kelley's testimony before the HSCA (vol. III pp. 332-333):
Mr. MATTHEWS. Now, when you were in Dallas, you received information from an Agent Patterson that he had talked with an FBI agent regarding some top secret information in regard to Lee Harvey Oswald?
Inspector KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. MATTHEWS. And he indicated to that agent that he could not tell him what the information was, but that it would be exchanged at the Washington level?
Inspector KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. MATTHEWS. Specifically, he mentioned the fact that the agent had had contact with Marina Oswald some 10 days before the assassination?
Inspector KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. MATTHEWS. And you later learned that that agent was James P. Hosty?
Inspector KELLEY. Yes.
Mr. MATTHEWS. Did you ever find out what top secret information he was referring to?
Inspector KELLEY. No, I didn't find out any top secret information he was referring to, but, of course, the information came to us shortly thereafter, perhaps at the same time, that the FBI had contacts with Oswald and had contact with Marina to find Oswald and to talk to him.
In discussing what this information was later, I think that it referred to the fact that Oswald had been in Russia.
Mr. MATTHEWS. Well, you say you think; did you ever discuss that with Inspector Malley?
Inspector KELLEY. No, I didn't.
Mr. MATTHEWS. Did you ever find that the agent who, in fact, had contact with Marina had been special agent James Hosty?
Inspector KELLEY. Yes, I learned that as a general piece of information, that Hosty was the control agent for Lee Harvey Oswald and that in that connection he had contacted Marina.
Mr. MATTHEWS. Did you ever learn about what has become known as the Hosty note?
Inspector KELLEY. No; that never came to my attention.
Hosty contacted Marina 10 days before the assassination. Then on the 16th, Oswald goes to the FBI and delivers his infamous “note.”
Concerning his actions on the 22nd of November, Hosty testified:
Mr. Hosty. All right. After the conference that lasted until about 9 a.m, I then left the office and joined an Army Intelligence agent, and an agent of the Alcohol Tax Unit of the Treasury Department. We had a conference concerning a case not related to Lee Oswald. This conference lasted most of the morning until about 11:45. At 11:45 the Army Intelligence agent and myself left, and walked over towards Main Street.
Mr. Hosty.
Shortly after 2 o'clock, we received information that this man had been captured and taken to the Dallas Police Department. One of our agents called from the Dallas Police Department and identified this man as Lee Harvey Oswald. I immediately recognized the name.
Hosty (4H461)
Mr. HOSTY. Right. There are no regional offices. I then took the file to the agent in charge, told him that we had a case on Lee Harvey Oswald. While I sat there he immediately called headquarters and advised headquarters here in Washington, D.C., that Lee Harvey Oswald was under arrest down at Dallas and had been observed shooting a police officer. They had eyewitnesses to his killing of Officer Tippit.
Mr. STERN. How do you know that?
Mr. HOSTY. This had been given to us by one of our agents from the call from the Dallas Police Department who had given the information. I don't know who it was. I did not receive the call.
Hosty refers to the call from the DPD as being made by “one of our agents”.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm
Mr. STERN - Were you present when he was brought in?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes.
Mr. STERN - Then what occurred, that you observed?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - I believe he was taken directly into Captain Fritz' office and the interview started at that time with Captain Fritz, and two homicide officers.
Mr. STERN - Were you present?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - I was not in the office at that time. I called our office, advised them he had been brought in, and that the interview was starting and shortly thereafter Mr. Shanklin, our SAC called back and said the Bureau wanted the agents present in the interview and that Hosty, James P. Hosty, I believe was to sit in on the interview, and I was to also be present with Hosty. So, at that time, we asked Captain Fritz to sit in on the interview, and that was approximately 3:15 p.m.
Bookhout was not present when Fritz first started talking to Oswald at 2:20, so couldn't have transmitted Oswald's Beckley St. address to Hosty at that point, unless he told Bookhout at the same time he dispatched Senkel and Cunnungham at 2:40, or the "un-named officer" also told Bookhout.
From the unpublished HSCA testimony of Robert Jones page 25:
Referring to JFK Exhibit 101 - an FBI communication to the Director of the FBI and Special Agent in Charge in Dallas from Special Agent in Charge, San Antonio dated 11/22/63:
Mr. Genzman. Would you read through the document and comment on its accuracy?
Mr. Jones. The second line after San Antonio, "advised the news broadcasts that he learned Lee Harvey Oswald had been arrested", that should be changed. I was advised through a source in the police department.
Page 29:
Mr. Genzman. Could you identify your source?
Mr. Jones. Without my records, I cannot, but I would like to state that he was a member if the 112th Military Intelligence, he was an agent.
Mr. Genzman. Are you saying that these sources, which were military intelligence personnel, actually worked as law enforcement officers for these local agencies, or that they worked alongside these law enforcement agencies?
Mr. Jones. Our special agents assigned to a military intelligence group were military personnel in most cases, and they would have sources within the police department that would be on the payroll of the police department report to them.
And the source that I received this information from came through a source in the police department through my agent that I considered a source to me.
Jones was asked if Captain Gannaway was this source. I believe that it was Detective Stringfellow. However, there is also the possibility that Deputy Chief George L. Lumpkin served as an Intelligence Agent in the Reserves. Ron Ecker posted the following in the JFK Lancer Forum on 11/13/04:
Significantly, Peter Dale Scott in Deep Politics (p. 273-274) says that he had been “reliably informed” (he obviously chooses not to identify the source) that Deputy Chief Lumpkin, who drove the pilot car Whitmeyer was riding in, was “a member of the Army Intelligence Reserve.” Yet Scott refers to Whitmeyer as simply “a local army-reserve commander.” Why would Scott ignore any Army Intelligence role for Whitmeyer while making a point of Lumpkin being in the Army Intelligence Reserve?
Lieutenant Jack Revill testified before the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964 concerning a report he had filed with Chief Jesse Curry wherein he had wrongly listed Oswald’s address as 605 Elsbeth:
Revill (5H41)
Mr. RANKIN. And the words 605 Elsbeth Street, was that given by you?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; this is the address we were given or I was given by some of the officers involved in the arrest.
Mr. RANKIN. Who gave that to you?
Mr. REVILL. I believe Detective Carroll, Carroll or Detective Taylor, they were both there.
Lieutenant Revill told the Warren Commission that he drafted his report within 30 minutes to an hour of when he and Hosty had their conversation in the basement (5H39), but as we saw above, Detective Carroll did not know Oswald’s address until much later in the evening.
Mr. RANKIN. And was that at the time you made this out that you were given that information?
Mr. REVILL. Shortly before I made this out.
Mr. RANKIN. You didn't even know where he lived then?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; I did not. I had never heard of him.
Mr. RANKIN. You know that is wrong, don't you?
Mr. REVILL. The 605?
Mr. RANKIN. Yes.
Mr. REVILL. I don't know.
Mr. RANKIN. Is it wrong?
Mr. REVILL. Yes; it is.
Mr. DULLES. As of the time.
Mr. REVILL. That is what they gave me.
Mr. RANKIN. You found that out?
Mr. DULLES. This is an address he once lived at.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know that?
Mr. DULLES. This is correct. I want to find out what he knows about it.
Mr. REVILL. Is this a-is this an incorrect address on Mr. Oswald where he was living at the time?
Mr. RANKIN. If you check it up I think you will find--it is an incorrect address at the time. I think you will also find that 602 Elsbeth Street is where he lived at one time.
Mr. REVILL. Now, where they got this address----
Mr. RANKIN. You never checked that?
Mr. REVILL. I personally have not checked it but I am sure it has been checked.
Mr. RANKIN. I see.
Mr. REVILL. But this is the address I was given.
(5H42)
Mr. DULLES. Could I ask a question? Where did you get this address that you put on of 605 Elsbeth Street, do you recall?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; from Detective E. B. Carroll or Detective Taylor.
Mr. DULLES. Are they subordinates?
Mr. REVILL. No; they are detectives assigned to the special service bureau. One of them works the narcotics squad and one of them is assigned to the vice unit.
Mr. DULLES. You never ascertained where they got it?
Mr. REVILL. No, sir; this might be the address that they got from Oswald, I do not know. I never even thought about it until you brought up the point that this is not the address.
Mr. DULLES. Can you find out where they got this address?
Mr. REVILL. Yes, sir; I can.
Mr. DULLES. I think that would be useful. I would like to know that. I would like to know where they got this address also.
Mr. REVILL. It would have been the same day because this was made within an hour----
p. 47
The CHAIRMAN. I think that is all. Thank you, again, lieutenant.
Mr. REVILL. I will attempt to find out on that address, and I shall let Mr. Sorrels know, with Secret Service.
In their after-action reports filed with Chief Curry on December 3rd, neither Caroll (DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 2, Item# 73), nor Detective E.E. Taylor, Special Services Bureau, Narcotics Section (DPD Archives Box 5, Folder# 2, Item# 81) make mention of giving Revill Oswald’s address.
Warren Commission Document# 948 is a memo from Sorrels to Inspector Kelley dated May 19, 1964. In that memo, Sorrels says that Revill contacted Sorrels and said that Revill told him he got the 605 Elsbeth address from Bob Carroll. As the driver of the car that took Oswald from the Theater to the police station, Carroll allegedly looked back over his shoulder and read the address off a Dallas Public Library card that had been removed from Oswald's billfold by one of the officers in the back seat.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11344#relPageId=2&tab=page
CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. The Report submitted to Gannaway says it is coming thru Jack Revill. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. W.P. Gannaway was the Captain and Revill was one of the Lieutenants.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
The list of TSBD employees reproduced in CE2003 can be found inBox 4, Folder# 3, Item# 26 of the Dallas Police Archives, JFK Collection.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box4.htm
and Box 18, Folder# 5, Item# 25
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm
Lieutenant Revill told the Warren Commission that he drafted his report within 30 minutes to an hour of when he and Hosty had their conversation in the basement (5H39). The list of employees and their addresses were drawn up by Westphal and Parks, but Revill said he got the address from Bob Carroll.
At the same time Westphal is preparing a Report of the names and addresses of the TSBD employees, Revill is also preparing a Report to Chief Curry on the Subject Lee Harvey Oswald 605 Elsbeth concerning meeting with James Hosty at 2:50 PM wherein Hosty tells Revill that the FBI knew that Oswald was a communist and that he was “capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy.”
DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 5, Item# 3.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm
Revill (5H34)
Mr. Rankin.
Just before you saw Special Agent Hosty, where had you been?
Mr. Revill.
I had been at the Texas School Book Depository.
Mr. Rankin.
What did you do there?
Mr. Revill.
We conducted a systematic search of the building, evacuated the people working in the building, and took names, addresses, and phone numbers of all of these people before they were permitted to leave.
Mr. Rankin.
Was anyone working with you there?
Mr. Revill.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Rankin.
Who?
Mr. Revill.
Numerous people.
Mr. Rankin.
I see. Was Detective Brian with you there?
Mr. Revill.
Yes, sir. I had taken Detective Brian with me from the Trade Mart, Dallas Trade Mart, upon hearing of the shots being fired at Mr. Kennedy. I took Detective Brian and two other officers assigned to my unit, Detective R. W. Westphal and Detective Tarver, O. J. Tarver.
Mr. Rankin.
How did you come back to the police department?
Mr. Revill.
By automobile.
Mr. Rankin.
By car?
Mr. Revill.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Rankin.
Was anyone with you?
Mr. Revill.
Yes, sir, I had Detectives Brian, Tarver, and Westphal.
Mr. Rankin.
They were all in the car with you?
Mr. Revill.
Yes, sir.
Mr. Rankin.
And which way did you enter the building?
Mr. Revill.
The Main Street ramp into the basement of the city hall.
Mr. Rankin.
About what time of the day?
Mr. Revill.
It must have been about 2:45, 2:50.
If Potts, Senkel and Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley at 2:40 and arrived at Beckley at 3:00 PM, it seems clear that the pipeline of information showing Oswald living at 1026 N. Beckley is not coming through Revill, Brian and Westphal.
Dallas Police Sergeant Gerald Hill rode in the front seat of the car that drove Oswald from the Texas Theater to City Hall. Hill says several times in his WC testimony (7H60) that he did not know where the Beckley Street address came from and was not aware of it before he turned Oswald over to Robbery and Homicide. Hill did not learn of it until 7:00 or 8:00PM that night.
The normal booking process was bypassed in this case. Carroll, Hill and Walker all said that when arriving at City Hall, they went directly up to the third floor.
None of the arresting officers who rode with Oswald from the Theater to downtown said that Oswald gave them his Beckley St. address. As a matter of fact, Oswald was refusing to tell anyone where he lived. I believe that Fritz was correct. When confronted with it, Oswald did not deny living there, but I don't believe he volunteered it either.
I had been under the impression that the police got the Beckley street address when Officers Stovall, Rose, and Adamcik went to the Irving address and either got the address from Ruth Paine, or she gave them a telephone number that the police crossed referenced.
However, none of the three Dallas City Police officers mentions in their reports getting the Beckley St. address from Ruth Paine.
Harry Weatherford, Buddy Walthers, and J.L. Oxford were the Sheriff’s Deputies dispatched to Irving.
Walthers, Weatherford and Sheriff Decker all said that Ruth Paine gave them a telephone number where Oswald could be reached and that they criss-crossed that number and came up with the Beckley St. address.
However, their accounts differ.
Harry Weatherford 19H503 Supplementary Investigation Report filed 11/23/63
I stayed with Mrs. Oswald and Mrs. Payne while the rest of the men searched the house….While standing near the phone bar, I saw a BLACK telephone address book which I picked up and thumbed through, finding in the “O’s” the name of Lee Oswald, Texas School Book Depository and the telephone number. Then another phone number, which I believe was written in PENCIL. I asked what this number was, pointing to this pencil number, and Mrs. Payne said that is the phone where Lee was living. I gave this number to Deputy Buddy Walthers and told him to call the Sheriff and advise him of our findings. That this was all fitting in together with the Assassination of President Kennedy.
From Richard S. Stovall's Warren Commission testimony 7H190
Concerning a list of items taken out of 2515 W. Fifth St.
“I’ve got listed One BLUE Check telephone index book (addresses) – I’m not sure which bedroom that came from.
Buddy Walthers 19H520 Supplementary Investigation Report filed 11/22/63
Mrs. Payne then gave us a telephone number and stated that was the number of Lee Oswald, however, she advised she did not know an address where he was staying. At this time, I called Sheriff Decker and advised him of this and he criss-crossed this telephone number and gave us an address of 1026 N. Beckley. He advised he would dispatch other officers to cover this address.
In his Warren Commission testimony 7H549 taken July 23, 1964, Walthers changes the scenario slightly
"We didn't go to the trouble of looking at any of this stuff much---just more or less confiscated it at the time, and we looked at it there just like that, and then we took all this stuff and put it in the car and then Mrs. Paine got a phone number from Mrs. Oswald where you could call Lee Harvey Oswald in Oak Cliff".
Decker 19H462
Mrs. Payne gave Deputy Walthers a telephone number where she said that Lee Oswald had been staying at, however, she stated that she did not know the address. Officer Walthers then called me by public service giving me this information, whereupon, I had called Allan Sweatt, Chief Criminal Deputy and Deputy Clint Lewis to locate this address both by criss cross and also verifying same through telephone company. Mr. Sweatt reported to me that the telephone number was 1026 N. Beckley. At this time I requested that David Johnston, Justice of the Peace, to issue a search warrant to that location for officers to search the premises. Information was obtained at this address from the landlady to the effect that a man by the name of O.H. Lee had been living at this location for a period of two weeks.
Did Ruth Paine volunteer the number? Did Harry Weatherford find it? Did Ruth Paine get the number from Marina?
Allan Sweatt 19H533 makes no mention of this in his Supplementary Investigation Report file with Sheriff Decker on 11/23/63
J.L. Oxford, the other deputy present, J.L. Oxford Supplementary Investigation Report filed with Sheriff Decker 11/23/63 makes no mention of Ruth Paine giving the police Oswald’s phone number.
Also, they say that they got the Beckley St. phone number AFTER the search of the Irving address was underway, however, police have BEEN AT THE BECKLEY ST. ADDRESS FOR OVER 30 MINUTES BY THIS TIME.
Ruth Paine 3H37
Lee calls on October 14th to report that he has found employment at the TSBD
Mrs. Paine. He gave me a telephone number, possibly this same weekend. The weekend of the 12th)
Mrs. Paine. Yes. He said of the room where he was staying, renting a room, and I could reach him here if she went into labor.
Mr. Jenner. Just stick to this particular occasion. What telephone number – did you record it?
Lee WANTED to be reached (His wife was about to give birth to Rachel)
Mrs. Paine. Yes. In INK in my telephone book.
Mrs. Paine. The number was WH2-1985
Mr. Jenner. He did not give you an address?
Mrs. Paine. No.
He gave her a second phone number. She said she couldn’t remember when or how he transmitted that number to her. She said Oswald told her he had changed rooms, but thought that it was after he had started work at the TSBD
Mr. Jenner. On the second occasion, did he give you the location, or even the area in Dallas where his second room was located?
Mrs. Paine. No.
In her testimony, (3H79-81) describing the search at 2515 W. Fifth St., Ruth Paine makes no mention whatsoever of giving the police Oswald’s telephone number.
Ruth Paine 9H365
Mr. Jenner. Directing your attention to Commission Exhibit No. 402 which is your address book,...Is there anything on any of the entries which appear on those pages which relate to the Oswalds?
Mrs. Paine. The one on the left is the police officer who picked up the address book.
Mr. Jenner. Those are his initials and date that he picked it up?
Mrs. Paine. I don't know who picked it up. And I didn't see it was gone.
I was reading through Will Fritz's testimony before the Warren Commission in volume IV and a careful reading of his testimony leaves the impression that Fritz knew of the Beckley Street address before he dispatched officers to Irving.
Mr. BALL. Some officer told you that he thought this man had a room on Beckley?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had he been brought into the station by that time?
Mr. FRITZ. He was at the station when we got there, you know.
Mr. BALL. He was?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; so then I talked to him and I ASKED HIM WHERE HIS ROOM WAS ON BECKLEY.
Mr. BALL. Then you started to interrogate Oswald, did you?
Mr. FRITZ. yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you called him into your room?
Mr. FRITZ Yes, sir.
In other words, Fritz had the Beckley Street address before he ever started talking to Oswald.
Fritz was in such a hurry to get something to hold Oswald on, that he dispatched his officers to Irving without a search warrant.
Fritz, Sims, Boyd, and Decker all speak of a curious little encounter just after Fritz emerges from the TSBD. They have found the rifle and learned that Oswald lives in Irving. Fritz is all hot to trot. He's determined to go charging off to Irving taking Sims and Boyd with him. Just as he's about to head off, Decker sends word that he wants to talk to Fritz just a minute. What was the subject of that little conversation? None of them are asked by the WC, and none of them volunteer.
Whatever it was, all of a sudden Fritz changes his mind, heads into the office, keeps Sims and Boyd with him, and sends other police officers to check out Irving.
In the Arrest Report on Investigative Prisoner filed by M.M. McDonald against Lee Harvey Oswald as the murderer of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. (Dallas Police ARchives, Box 1, Folder 3, Item# 17) at:
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm
Now, without knowing when this Report was filled out, McDonald lists Oswald's arrest time as 1:40PM and gives his address as 1026 N. Beckley. I believe that McDonald is off by about 10 minutes on the arrest time, but it's interesting that he gives the Beckley St. address. If McDonald filled this out as soon as he got back to the station, I wonder where he got the Beckley St. address?
I don't believe Oswald gave it to the police. When he was arrested and brought back to the station, he had two ID cards on him. One was for A.J. Hidell and one was for Lee Harvey Oswald.
Detective Guy Rose told the Warren Commission that:
Mr. ROSE. There were some people in the office from the Book Depository and we talked to a few of them and then in just a few minutes they brought in Lee Oswald and I talked to him for a few minutes?
Mr. BALL. What did you say to him or did he say to you?
Mr. ROSE. Well, the first thing I asked him was what his name was and he told me it was Hidell.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you it was Hidell?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; he did.
Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you it was Oswald?
Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out." And then in just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he told me to get two men and go to Irving and search his house.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what his address was?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; but from there, he wouldn't tell me--he just said, "You just find out."
Mr. BALL. Now, did anybody ever tell you that his address was 1026 North Beckley?
Mr. ROSE. Later they did--right then they didn't; no, sir.
Mr. BALL. You didn't know it at that time?
Mr. ROSE. No, sir; I didn't. When he was asked, "Which one are you", he responded, You figure it out".
I don't think Oswald volunteered his address.
In his testimony before the HSCA, Inspector Kelley was asked what investigation he had made into the background of Lee Harvey Oswald (vol. III p. 330).
In the course of his reply, Kelley said, “The Dallas Police had some information on him and the State Department had some information in connection with his trips to Russia. The military was supplying information to our headquarters and it was being provided to me at Dallas.”
Captain Fritz knew Oswald lived on Beckley before he started talking to him. The address didn’t come from Oswald and it didn’t come from any of the arresting officers. The Sheriff’s Deputies didn’t learn it until after the police had already arrived at Beckley. If Hosty can be believed, it didn’t come from the FBI.
During Revill's testimony before the WC, it was Dulles, not Rankin who kept asking Revill where he got the Elsbeth St. address from
I believe the 1026 N. Beckley address came from someone associated with military intelligence.
I have been tracking the known references I have found of Harvey Lee Oswald. So far, I have 29 of them.
This is over and above the Harvey and Lee research that you and John Armstrong have done.
I have tried to trace the earliest reference I can, and from what I've found, it seems to be coming out of Russia of all places.
I think the Harvey Lee Oswald persona was created long before we knew it to be, but by who or why or how, I don't know. I think this persona, or dossier was created and shared across all spectrums of the intelligence community.
I am with Peter Dale Scott on this one:
Lee Harvey Oswald in Russia
An Unauthorized History from the Kennedy Assassination
http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald-in-russia.htm
“This "Harvey Lee Oswald" reference is no accidental anomaly, but part of an organized pattern, widely dispersed, that suggests an official intelligence deception (and possible dual filing system). Serial 02296-E of 27 Jun 60 is the earliest Harvey Lee Oswald reference we now possess of over two dozen, from the files of ONI, FBI, CIA, Army Intelligence, the Secret Service, the Mexican Secret Police (DFS), and the Dallas Police.9
A consistent pattern of behavior in these agencies since the assassination has been the tendency to suppress references to "Harvey Lee Oswald," and replace them by the more standard "Lee Harvey Oswald."10
9 . For a discussion and incomplete list, see Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics Two, 80, 85-89, 118-19, 142-49.
10. Ibid. especially pp. 118-19.
From the WC testimony of Arthur C. Johnson:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm
Mr. BELIN. How long had you been at the house when the officers arrived?
Mr. JOHNSON. Oh, probably 30 minutes.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember about what time of the day they arrived?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it must have been around 1:30 or 2 o'clock--the best I remember.
Mr. BELIN. When did you get home that day from your work?
Mr. JOHNSON. Well, it was around 1 o'clock or maybe a little bit after.
I think the Harvey Lee Oswald is the Oswald, comma, Harvey Lee (Oswald, Harvey Lee); who registered at the 1026 N. Beckely roominghouse as O.H. Lee and who Earlene Roberts and Arthur Johnson said the police came looking for, some half an hour before Lee Harvey was even arrested at the Texas Theater.
This at least one hour before the Detectives were dispatched from Police Headquarters to 1026 N. Beckley at 2:40PM.
Steve Thomas
FAIRGROUNDS
ROBERT K. TANENBAUM - Partial transcript of talk before the Wecht Conference in Pittsburgh. From CD Into Evidence - Truth, Lies and Unresolved Mysteries in the Murder of JFK. 2003 40th Anniversary Conference Cyril Wecht Institute of Forensic Pathology.
Transcribed excerpts from a presentation entitled: Limitations of the HSCA: Reflections of a Former Counsel
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=8636.0;wap2
Shortly after Oswald’s name was publicized by the 3:46 p.m. UPI report, a Colonel Jones at the 112th US Army Intelligence center at Fort Hood, near San Antonio, Texas pulled Oswald’s military file and reviewed it quickly - first noticing that it was cross index referenced to another file A. J. Hidell - indicating a possible alias.
Together these files related to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee - and New Orleans. Both would have included records on Oswald’s military service in the USMC, news clippings of Oswald’s defection, his USMC reserve status, news clippings of his arrest in New Orleans, reference to his radio debate and FPCC leaflets from the USS Wasp ONI security, which included the 544 Camp Street Address in New Orleans. It also should have included the most recent reports of Oswald’s visit to Mexico City and the CIA’s request to the ONI for a photo of Oswald.
With this information in his hands, Colonel Jones then called the San Antonio FBI office and gave them the basic facts from the military’s Oswald/Hidell files.
This could also be Gannaway’s source for the UPI 3:46 p.m. report, unless the 488th Army Reserves Intelligence unit in Dallas had the same files with even more up to date and relevant information, like the address of Oswald’s rooming house.
Gen. Whitmeyer was in the middle of the back seat of the Pilot Car, Dallas Police Chief Lumpkin was in the front seat (either driving or riding in the passenger seat), Jack Crichton was arranging for the Marina’s translator, Col. Jones was rifling Oswald’s military files in San Antonio, but where were Colonels Brandsetter, Rose, Ross, Kael and Dorothe Matlock?
If they were in Dallas they most certainly were at the Civil Defense Emergency Command Post at the Dallas Fairgrounds, near by or possibly at the same location as the Dallas Police Special Services bureau - which included the files on those who were considered a threat to the President, especially those who had earlier attacked UN Secretary Adli Stevenson.
As noted by Russ Baker (Family of Secrets, p. 121), “On April 1, 1962, Dallas Civil Defense, with Crichton heading its intelligence component, opened an elaborate underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum. Because it was intended for ‘continuity-of-government’ operations during an attack, it was fully equipped with communications equipment. With this shelter in operation on November 22, 1963, it was possible for someone based there to communicate with police and other emergency services. There is no indication that the Warren Commission or any other investigative body or even JFK assassination researchers looked into this facility or the police and Army Intelligence figures associated with it.”
Steve Thomas
THE 12:35 PM INTERROGATION SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1963
01/02/17
edited 6/2/18
edited 7/13/21
For what it's worth, I've come to believe that the Fritz Interrogation Notes are a fraud. Not so much a fraud, as fraudulent; because I believe that a page has been removed between pp. 4 and 5 of those Notes in an effort to hide an Interview with Lee Harvey that took place at 12:35 PM on Saturday, November 23rd. I can't say positively what was discussed, but from what I surmise, only Fritz and Thomas Kelley were there. For example, the two DPD Detectives who were supposed to be there, Senkel and Turner, make no mention of attending an Interrogation on the 23rd in their after-action Reports. Neither does James Bookhout of the FBI. In addition, on page 5 of those notes, Fritz writes that during the 6:35 PM Interrogation on Saturday night, Oswald complained about wanting a jacket for
a lineup. Since the only lineup on Saturday was at 2:15 PM, it wouldn't make sense for him to be complaining about wanting a jacket at 6:35 PM, but would make sense if he was told at 1:10 when he was taken back to jail and told he was being taken down for another lineup at 2:00.
Fritz Interrogation Notes
http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html
So far, I have found seven versions or copies of the Report that Captain Will Fritz of the the DPD Homicide and Robbery Bureau filed concerning his Interrogations of Lee Harvey Oswald.
There are two versions of Fritz's interview with Oswald in the DPD Archives. One is in Box 1 and another is in Box 15.
1) Interrogation, by an unknown author. Typed rough draft with handwritten corrections pertaining to the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), date unknown. DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 15, Item# 1. Consists of 12 pages. This is the version of the Interrogation that has stenographer's notes.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm
On page 8 of that Report, it says that Oswald was brought down for an Interrogation at 12:35 PM on Saturday, November 23rd. In this version, Fritz says that Oswald was brought to the office for another interview with Inspector Kelly (the name Kelly is corrected to Kelley), and “some of the other officers and myself”.
2) Interrogation, by J. W. Fritz. Draft of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Photocopy) Poor Quality), date unknown DPD Archives, Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 111. This consists of 13 pages. By starting new paragraphs as called for in the draft in Box 1, this draft has been extended to 13 pages. You can also see the differences between page 5 in Box1 and page 6 in Box 15 where Fritz wanted language added about the bus transfer in Oswald's pocket. This tells me that the draft in Box 1 came first.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
On page 9 of this Box 15 version, the 12:35 time has been crossed out, and 6:00 PM has been written in.
There is an additional note written in that I can't make out. (Brd Int?/Bnd Intv?) Is Intv an abbreviation for Interview? (David Butler in the Education Forum suggested that this is “3rd Interview). (Alistair Briggs of the Education Forum also pointed out that the note on page 10 of this version also shows an attempt to change the numbering of the Interrogations). If that's the case, in my mind, by changing the time from 12:35 to 6:00 PM, and by re-numbering the interviews, that's another indication of Fritz trying to hide the 12:35 interview. (In this version, Fritz says that those present were “Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”. There are other handwritten additions to this Report, indicating that at some point, someone went back in and tried to alter this version, since it so closely mirrors the copy found in Appendix XI of the Warren Report. I believe that the version on Box 15 was altered after the release of Appendix XI of the WR, CE 2003 and CD 81 were released.
3) Interrogation, by an unknown author. Draft of interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), date unknown. Box 5, Folder# 3, Item# 3. Page 9.
This is a copy of the Interrogation Report in Box 15. 12:35 has been crossed out and 6:00 PM written in, etc.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm
4) There is a version of Fritz's interrogation of Oswald in Appendix XI of the Warren Report. On page 607 of the Appendix, Fritz references the 12:35 interview and uses the same language “with Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=631&tab=page
This version is a copy the draft version in Box 15 as it reflects the changes Fritz wanted in the draft version in Box 1. You can see this on the last page where Fritz wanted the language about the crowd jamming around Oswald, shouting questions and hurling slurs moved up a line. (Compare Box 1 to Box 15). (Page 6 of this WR version reflects the language of the draft in Box 15 concerning the bus transfer found in Oswald's pocket and how it has been added to the draft in Box 1.) On Page 5 of this version and on Page 5 of the Box 15 version, they both say that Oswald was arraigned before Judge Johnston at 1:35 AM, and then immediately in the next line says that he was arraigned before Judge Johnston at 1:36 AM. The draft in Box 15 notices the difference with a check mark.
5) There is also a version of the Interrogation of Oswald in CD 81 AG Texas Letter with attachments dated 07 Jan 1964 beginning on page 452. Covers the Interrogation of Oswald and takes up 13 pages. On page 460, Fritz references the 12:35 interview in the same language as is in the DPD Archives “with Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”.
He asks Oswald about the different places he lived in an attempt to find out where the picture was made of him holding a rifle. This is a copy of the version in Box 15 of the DPD Archives
On the pages of this version, as well as the version in Appendix XI of the WR, a notation has been added to the bottom of each indicating the page references in the Dallas Police Department's Case File. For example, on the bottom of page 8 it reads, “I 137D”. On the bottom of Page 8 in Box 15 of the DPD Archives, it just reads, “137-D”. The pages in Box 1 do not have these notations, indicating to me that the draft in Box 1 was done before the Case File was put together. The Case File was arranged alphabetically, and Interviews and Interrogations were put in the “I” chapter. Affidavits were put in the “A” Chapter, Case Reports were filed in the “C” Chapter, etc.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=460&tab=page
Guy Rose went back to 2515 W. 5th St. in Irving on Saturday, November 23rd. and searched the garage.
Detectives Moore, Rose, Adamcik and Richard Stovall were with him. Stovall told the WC that they were for 2-2 1/2 hours at the most, but be also said that they didn’t leave Irving until 5:30 or so.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/stovall.htm
Mr. BALL. The next day, you made another search of the Paine home, didn't you?
Mr. STOVALL. Yes, we did.
Mr. BALL. About what time?
Mr. STOVALL. Must have been around 1 o'clock, just past noon, 1:00 p.m.
Mr. BALL. What time did you leave there that day?
Mr. STOVALL. It must have been around 5:30, because it was--I believe it was 6 when we got back to the office.
6) CE 2003 (24H beginning at page 195)) - Dallas Police Department file on investigation of the assassination of the President (CD 81b, all pages). The Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald begins on page 264 of this Exhibit and takes up 13 pages. Page 268 covers the 12:35 Interrogation. Uses the same language, “with Inspector Kelley and some of the other officers and myself”.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=285&tab=page
This also a copy of the version in Appendix XI of the WR and Box 15 of the DPD Archives.
On January 7, 1964 Texas Attorney General, Waggoner Carr wrote a letter to Lee Rankin attaching “all the detailed reports of the combined reports of the Dallas authorities.” On page 2 of that letter, it says that the Reports are in three bound folders: the security surrounding Oswald during his transfer, the investigation of the assassination of the President, and investigations not directly related to the Ruby. I believe these were labeled a, b, and c.
CE 2003 is subtitled, “Dallas Police Department file on investigation of the assassination of the President (CD 81b, all pages). Investigation of the Assassination of the President. I believe that this is what 81b stands for.
7) Papers of Will Fritz
Interviews With Lee Harvey Oswald on November 23, 1963
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29106
The document starts out, “At about 10:35 AM, November 23, 1963, Lee Oswald was interviewed ...”
10:35 is crossed out and 12:35 was written above it. The conclusion of the Interview was changed from 11:30 to 1:10 PM, and the conclusion of the evening Interrogation was changed from 7:10 PM to 7:15 PM (to more closely mirror Kelley's Report). I believe that this is another example of someone going in and trying to alter a document after it was written.
The names Grant, U.S. Marshall Robert Nash, Nash, Senkel and Tiernon? have been crossed out. James Bookhout of the FBI was not mentioned.
Says he asked Oswald about the picture of him holding a rifle.
Fritz has crossed out the names of the police department personnel, but does not add back in the names who might have been there. In the other versions of his Interrogation, he uses the language “other officers and myself.”, but never identifies them. I don't know those people might have been. At this stage, I believe that the only two people present at this 12:35 interview besides Oswald are Thomas Kelley and Will Fritz.
This document is a copy of SS Inspector Thomas Kelley's Report that's found in Appendix XI of the Warren Report and at the bottom is written “from Kelley”.
Will Fritz testified before the Warren Commission on April 22, 1964
Thomas Kelley testified before the Warren Commission on June 4, 1964 and to the House Selective Committee on Assassinations. He was never asked about the 12:35 Interrogation, but he told the HSCA that he had sat in on four interviews with Oswald. He had arrived in Dallas too late to take part in the first Interrogation on the 22nd, so if he sat in on three Interrogations on the 23rd, and one on the 24th, that would be four.
Appendix XI of the Warren Report p. 628. This is Thomas Kelley's Report of Oswald's interview at 12:35 on Saturday the 23rd.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=652&tab=page
Says that Fritz, Kelley, Senkel and Tiernon of the Homicide Division were present, and James Bookhout of the FBI. Kelley does not show SS Grant and Robert Nash of the U.S. Marshall's Office as being present. He does show that Bookhout of the FBI, SA David Grant, U.S. Marshal Robert Nash, SAIC Sorrels, and Officers Boyd and Hall, were at the 10:35 interview, which he calls the first interview.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=650&tab=page
(page 626)
I don't find a Tiernon in Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 listed in either the Special Service Bureau, the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, or the Burglary and Theft Bureau.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
I believe that Kelley was not familiar with all of the DPD personnel and he wrote Tiernon when he meant Turner. Kelley was from out of town, and was not familiar with the police department personnel. It's possible that he mixed up Turner and Senkel, when he really meant Sims and Boyd, who were present at the 10:25 Interrogation, but who had left to go search the 1026 N. Beckley address at 12:30 PM
DPD Archives. Box 3, Folder# 4, Item# 5, page 6.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
See also Thomas Kelley's Report of this 12:35 Interview here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=652&tab=page
Kelley wrote that immediately after the interview was concluded at 1:10 PM, officers of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau were dispatched to 2515 W. 5th St. in Irving where they found the photo of Oswald with a rifle.
The problem here is that in the combined Report of Officers Rose, Stovall, Adamcik and Moore, they wrote that they called Judge Joe Brown, Jr. at 12:30 to search the premises at 2515 W. 5th St. This was before Oswald was brought down at 12:35.
Stovall Exhibit D at (21H) p. 603
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1138#relPageId=627&tab=page
In his Report of Officer's Duties, B.L. Senkel makes no mention of attending any interrogations of Oswald on November 23rd.
DPD Archives Box 15, Folder# 2, Item# 54
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
In his Report of Officer's Duties, F.M. Turner makes no mention of attending any interrogations of Oswald on November 23rd.
DPD Archives Box 15, Folder# 2, Item# 55
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
Bookhout wrote a Report of his Interviews of Oswald that weekend that you find in Appendix XI, pp. 619 – 625, but does not report any interview at 12:35.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=643&tab=page
I believe that at some point, someone went into the Dallas Police Department and made a conscious effort to remove traces of Oswald's Interrogation at 12:35 on Saturday, November 23, 1963. I don't know who this was, but they succeeded in eliminating or changing some things, but failed in others. I don't know if they were: a) clumsy or inept; or, b) didn't know all the places they needed to check; or, c) ran out of time. For example:
In the DPD Archives, there is a List of what appears to be dates and times of Interrogations and line-ups. The time frame of 12:35 to 1:10 PM on the 23rd had a check mark along side of it, suggesting to me that someone wanted that reference deleted.
List, by an unknown author. List of dates, times and line-up participants.
DPD Archives Box 7, Folder# 7, Item# 32
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm
In the DPD Archives, there is an Index Page, by an unknown author. Index page from notebook containing an inventory of information related to the investigation of the assassination and related cases - under index letter "s",
Lists the Secret Service personnel present during Oswald's Interrogations. Gives the 10:35 Interrogation as the 1st, and 6:00 PM on the 23rd as the 2nd. Omits the 12:35 Interrogation. Shows only Kelly and Sorrels as being present at 10:35, but Kelly's Report in Appendix XI on p. 626 shows David Grant as being present.
DPD Archives Box 6, Folder# 1, Item# 70.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box6.htm
The number (161) at the top of the page is the page number of the DPD Case File. This page number is shown at the bottom of page 491 in CD 81. The previous pages in CD 81 are missing.
Item#'s 70-72 are reflected in CD 81, p. 491
In T.L. Baker's Report, he completely omits the 12:35 Interrogation on the 23rd.
CD 81 p. 499
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=499&tab=page
In the DPD Archives there is an Index Page, by an unknown author. Index page from notebook containing an inventory of information related to the investigation of the assassination and related cases - under index letter"t", (Original), date unknown
Box 6, Folder# 1, Item# 78 page 3 Gives the Times of Questioning Oswald.
This list includes the 12:35 – 1:10 PM Interrogation.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box6.htm
This page is not included in CD 81, page 632. (Either on pp. 631 or 633)
Compare CD 81 page 632 to DPD Archives Box 6, Folder#1, Item# 78 page 3
In CD 81 there is a large gap between November 22nd and November 24th. November 23rd is missing.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=632&tab=page
List, by an unknown author. List of people present at the interrogation of Oswald.
DPD Archives Box 15, Folder# 2, Item# 14 says that FBI Agent Joe Myers was present at Oswald's 1st Interrogation and FBI Agent George Carlston was present at Oswald's 2nd Interrogation.
Listed among the Secret Service Agents present were Dallas SS Agents William Patterson, Roger Warner, Mike Howard, Charles Kunkel, John Howlett, and David Grant. The times and dates of their attendance are not given.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
This list is also in Box 5, Folder# 5, Item# 3 in the DPD Archives
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm
This list also appears in CE 2003 p. 284
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140&relPageId=302&search=%22George_Carlston%22
This list is also in Commission Document 81 - AG Texas Letter with attachments dated 07 Jan 1964
pp. 755 – 756
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483&search=%22Joe_Myers%22#relPageId=755&tab=page
I do not find in the DPD Archives a list of DPD personnel who were present at Oswald's Interrogations. If anyone is aware of such a list, I would appreciate knowing about it.
I think the one place where they failed to take into account, and what really “gives the game away” was the record for jail checkouts.
Jail Checkouts
Fritz Report on the case. Commission Document 81 - AG Texas Letter with attachments dated 07 Jan 1964 page 467. Shows Oswald being checked out of jail at 12:35 and returned at 1:10 PM
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=467&tab=page
These jail checkout cards show up in the DPD Archives. Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 114
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
In the DPD Case file these are given as pages J-141
The numbers I-136-138 are the internal DPD Case File numbers
As to why someone would want to eliminate traces of the 12:35 Interrogation, some have suggested that in his reports of the Interrogation, Fritz writes about asking Oswald about the picture of him with a rifle, at least four hours before it was officially found in the Irving St. garage and brought back to police headquarters at about 4:30 PM. I think it is also possible that something was discussed at that 12:35 meeting that no one wanted disclosed. Fritz could be forgiven for mixing up the times, he even told the Commission that he might have the times wrong:
Mr. FRITZ. There is a lot of questioning in our mind about the time of this middle day questioning here. We checked it over and over and we can't be sure about the time and I don't want to go on record as not knowing whether this time is correct because it might not be.
Mr. BALL. You mean 12:35?
Mr. FRITZ. 12:35.
Mr. BALL. But you do know this conversation----
Mr. FRITZ. I do know we talked to him a number of times all along, and these questions and answers are right, but the times may be off.
And he wrote the same thing in his Official Report of his activities:
“Inasmuch as this Report was made from rough notes and memory, it is entirely possible that one of these questions could be in a separate interview from the one indicated in this report.”
DPD Archives Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 111, page 13.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
I believe that either:
a) Oswald was being questioned about the pictures before they had officially been found; or,
b) The 12:35 Interview had nothing to do with the pictures, but was about something else.
Steve Thomas 01/02/17
Fritz's Report on the Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald in Warren Commission Document 81, p. 460. also says that this question (about the rifle) was put to Oswald during the interrogation at 12:35 PM
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10483#relPageId=460&tab=page
He was asked again about the rifle photos at his interview at 6:00 PM. (see p. 461)
Steve Thomas:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=13677.0;wap2
Fritz's interrogation notes concerning Oswald's second interview at 10:30 on Saturday morning November 23rd:
http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/fritz4-5.jpg
Present at this interview are representatives from the FBI, the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshall's Office and the Dallas Police.
(This is a heady group of people. Kelly would later go on to say that the interview conditions were less than ideal.)
Among other things, Oswald is questioned about the Hidell Selective Service card.
The interview ends at 11:30. An hour later, at 12:35, (According to Fritz's Reports of his Interrogations of Oswald) Oswald is brought back down and is shown some pictures of him holding a rifle and a pistol. Oswald says the pictures are forgeries. Oswald is again asked about these pictures at a 6:00 PM Interview.
I believe that the only two people present at this 12:35 interview besides Oswald are Thomas Kelley and Will Fritz. Based on this line of questioning, there is no mention of Senkel, Turner or Bookhout being present.
Fritz's WC testimony:
Mr. BALL. Your notes show at 11:33 he went back to the jail and about an hour later at 12:35 he was brought back.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. In your office for another interview.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. In which Mr. Kelley of the Secret Service was present?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. DULLES. Are we now on Saturday noon?
Mr. BALL. Yes, sir; this is noon about 12:35.
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. In the meantime your officers had brought back from Irving some pictures that they found in the garage, hadn't they?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Fritz's Report on the Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald in Warren Commission Document 81, p. 460. also says that this question was put to Oswald during the interrogation at 12:35 PM
He was asked again about the rifle photos at his interview at 6:00 PM. (see p. 461)
See also Thomas Kelley's Report of this 12:35 Interview here:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=652&tab=page
Now, Kelley says that the 12:35 Interview mainly consisted of questioning Oswald about where the bulk of his belongings were stored, and he says that immediately after the Interview was terminated at 1:10 PM, officers were dispatched to the Irving residence to conduct a further search.
My problem here is that Rose, Stovall and Adamcik say that they were dispatched to Irving at 12:00, and got a search warrant from a judge in Oak Cliff at 12:30.
This is even before Oswald was brought back down from jail at 12:35. They arrived at Irving at about 1:00, just about the time Oswald's interview was ending.
According to the official account, the Officers searched the garage, found a box with pictures of Oswald holding a rifle, a coupon from Kleins about a rifle, and in Stovall's testimony, pictures and negatives with Selective Service cards in the name of A.Hidell. They brought that material back to Headquarters about 4:30 PM and Oswald was brought back down from jail and questioned about them at 6:00 PM.
It seems to me that Oswald's demeanor changed between Friday night and Saturday mid-day.
Steve Thomas
REVOLT OF THE COLONELS?
02/12/17
Updated 02/18/18
Over the years, a number of groups, or at least rogue elements of those groups have been floated as suspects in the assassination of JFK. These have included the CIA, the mob, the right wing, etc. However, I believe that there was another group of people who seem to appear in key circumstances associated with this event; and these are colonels in the U.S. Army Reserves, and more specifically the intelligence services of that military mileau. I don't believe that this group of people have been examined in any organized way before. I can't point to anything specific, but I get the impression in my readings that the military intelligence people did not hold the CIA in any high regard. They saw the CIA as a bunch of cowboys.
These Reservists include among others:
Jack A. Crichton,
George L. Whitmeyer,
George Lumpkin
,Lester Logue.
L. Robert Castorr, and I'll float another name;
Colonel Frank M. (Maryan) "Brandy" Brandstetter
I can't be sure that these individuals were part of the U.S. Army's Active Reserves, or were part of the Reserve units attached to the State of Texas. The reason I say this is because, at various times, Lt. Col. Whitmeyer has been identified as:
“Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander
“Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve
“Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
I spoke to a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel and he told me that these designations are unknown to him and are not part of the Army's TOE or Table of Expenditures. Another suggestion is that these Reserves were not part of the U.S. Army's Active Reserve system, but were part of the reserve forces of the State of Texas.
If anyone knows the specific regiment, division, or Army Corps these people belonged to, please let me know.
https://tmd.texas.gov/
The Texas Military Department is composed of the three branches of the military in the state of Texas. These branches are the Texas Army National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and the Texas State Guard. All three branches are administered by the state Adjutant General, an appointee of the Governor of Texas, and fall under the command of the Governor.
A possible source of reference might be here: They are housed at the Texas State Library.
Texas Adjutant General's Department:An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945)
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html
Jack Crichton:
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal from Lubbock, Texas · December 5, 1967 Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6092576/
DALLAS (API — Col. Jack A.:, Crichton. commanding officer of) the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, was awarded the Legion of Merit Monday night on' his retirement from the Army- Reserve after 30 years of service. The medal was presented in a ceremony by Col. Robert D. Of-; fer, commander of the VIII U.S. , Army Corps at Austin. An oil man and petroleum consultant, Crichton organized his Reserve unit in 1956 and has been its only commander. The award cited him for "exceptionally outstanding service" as commander and for the preparation of a series of military intelligence studies.
Warren Commission Hearings. Vol. XIX p. 106
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&search=Mamantov#relPageId=114&tab=page
Ilya Mamantov identified Jack Crichton as a petroleum independent contractor, “and if I'm not mistaken he is connected with the Army Reserve, Intelligence Service.” Five minutes later, George Lumpkin called Mamantov. Thirty minutes before they called Mamantov however, he had called the FBI and offered his services because he knew Oswald and “knew of his background here in Dallas.”
Crichton Legion of Merit Award
See: https://books.google.com/books?id=ibtADE8gMeoC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Legion+of+Merit%22+Crichton&source=bl&ots=UsV17DJRk7&sig=sw-DLTVYZL9P6SKEfsWpeLEhvEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJruvqzcvRAhXKw1QKHbOTD2IQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=%22Legion%20of%20Merit%22%20Crichton&f=false
page 87
http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm
In 1956 Crichton started up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. In an interview Crichton claimed that there were "about a hundred men in that unit and about forty or fifty of them were from the Dallas Police Department."
From Bill Kelly. JFK Countercoup blog July 22, 2012
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/07/shenanigans-at-dallas-state-fairgrounds.html
“On April 1, 1962, Dallas Civil Defense, with Crichton heading its intelligence component, opened an elaborate underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum. Because it was intended for ‘continuity-of-government’ operations during an attack, it was fully equipped with communications equipment.
Dallas Morning News 03-17-1960 Dallas Center Approved by Civil Defense
www.civildefensemuseum.com
“The Office of Civil Defense Mobilization announced Wednesday the approval of a $120,000 emergency underground operating center for the Dallas City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Under Plans formulated last year, OCDM and DallasCounty will match contributions of $60,000 for the center. The building will be constructed at Fair Park adjacent to the Health and Science Museum.”
George Whitmeyer:
George Whitmeyer. Was passenger in the JFK motorcade pilot car.)
"Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396)
Mary Ferrell database for Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer:
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=10103
1963-1964 City Directories list George Whitmeyer as Area Commander USA Reserve Training Center.
Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.”
DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20.
https://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
I believe that he taught at the Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway, Dallas, TX. This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site.
http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf
George Lumpkin:
Was a passenger in the JFK motorcade pilot car with George Whitmeyer.
Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
p. 128. “As was common for Brandy, he received a fine commendation for his work from his commanding officer, at this time, Colonel George Lumpkin....”
“In his civilian life, George Lumpkin was deputy chief of police in the City of Dallas...”
When Jack Crichton was asked by the Dallas Police to find a Russian interpretor for Marina Oswald, Crichton asked George Lumpkin to call Ilya Mamantov. It was George Lumpkin who took command at the TSBD following the assassination and who Roy Truly first told that Lee Harvey Oswald was “missing”.
Colonel, George Lumpkin was the Commandant of the 4150 ARSU, US Army Reserve Training School at the Muchert Armory, 10031 E. Northwest Highway in Dallas.
1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.
https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/
Frank Brandstetter:
Published on NYTimes.com from Sept.14 to Sept.15, 2011
See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=153634344#sthash.woUiR4U2.dpuf
Colonel Frank Maryan "Brandy" Brandstetter (U.S. Army Ret.) died in the Hospital Megallanes in Acapulco, Mexico on August 21, 2011 at age 99. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=153634344#sthash.woUiR4U2.dpuf
After graduating from the U.S. Army Intelligence School, he was trained by British military intelligence before he parachuted with the 506th Airborne Infantry Regiment on D-Day and led his IPW (Interrogation of Prisoners of War) team into World War II. He served as General Matthew B. Ridgway's trusted aide with the XVIII Airborne Corps until the end of the war, then, with General Ridgway in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, and finally with the original, five-nation United Nations Organization. His awards include the Silver Star and the Bronze Star.
Brandy continued for 40 years in uniform as a U.S. Army Reservist frequently providing assistance to the Office of the Army Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the FBI, and the CIA. Subsequently, Brandstetter unofficially provided reconnaissance services to the United States, primarily at his own expense, to China, Greece, Cyprus, Morocco, South Africa, Spain, Argentina, Yugoslavia, and many other hot spots at times when security threats were emerging.
Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
p. 118. “Brandy's move from San Francisco to Dallas resulted in his transfer from the Officers Reserve Control Group with the Sixth Army in San Francisco to one with the Fourth Army in San Antonio in the G-2 section.”
p. 120. “...in December, 1951 he was assigned to reserve duty training in Dallas. In March, 1952 his file was submitted for a security background check. That work was finally completed on 30 June, 1953 and he was once again cleared for material up to and including Top Secret”. “Brandy soon began teaching and participating in a few courses in specialized intelligence studies.
p. 120. Brandy wrote to Colonel J.P. Kaylor of the Fourth Army's G-2 section and “...suggested monthly or semi-monthly briefings in a private area “where classified material could be read and secured,” meetings with Civilian Defense Authorities for liaison in case of emergencies, and correspondence courses.” (See the entry for Crichton)
pp. 127+ “after leaving Jamaica in early 1957, Brandy served as assistant troop commander and provost marshal of the Fourth U.S. Army Area Intelligence School for two weeks in August, 1957.
These intelligence school sessions reviewed procedures and studies in a wide variety of areas for reserve intelligence officers including a review of a Central Index of Investigative and Domestic Subversive files.
p. 121. “While at the Presidio, Brandy had prepared a draft of a Domestic Emergency Plan, which he revised and submitted in 1954 as part of the Cloverleaf I exercise, to G-2 of the Fourth Army Command in Dallas, Colonel M.H. Truly.” (Any relation to Roy Truly of the TSBD?)
(Colonel M.H. Truly would submit a report on a UFO sighting in Texas and New Mexico in April, 1955 to the Assistant Chief of Staff, G2, Department of the Army.)
http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia24.htm
“...in December, 1953 he (Brandstetter) and several other officers were attached to different units for the first three months of 1954 assigned as “Inspector/Advisors” "
I just happened to run across this April, 1968 Life Magazine article from Philippe Thyraud de Vosjoli. Fascinating stuff. "Martel" is, of course, Anatoli Golitsyn.
After JFK's assassination, fearing for his life, Vosjoli would flee to the Acapulco estate of Frank Brandstetter - another one of those blankety-blank colonels.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=ylQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA30#v=onepage&q&f=false
From Edward Epstein's diary entry:
http://edwardjayepstein.com/diary/devosjoli.htm
"I had been invited to the Consortium for the Study of Intelligence, a foundation-financed project of the so-called Nation strategy Information Center. It was a series of conferences on international deception at which top officials of the CIA, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency and Israeli Intelligence service discussed the concept of counterintelligence. Since I was writing a book on the subject, I found it useful to attend. The April Conference was held at 1800 K Street. Among the guests was a short, bald-headed man, Philippe de Vosjoli. "I am probably the only French intelligence officer in history to defect to the United States," he said.
Over a leisurely dinner, he explained that he had been posted to Washington in 1960 as the liaison officer between the French intelligence service, SDECE, and the CIA. He was the first French liaison officer. In this capacity, he worked closely with Angleton. Beginning in 1962, Angleton warned him that a CIA source, Anatoli Golitsyn, who had defected from the Russian Embassy in Finland, had revealed that the KGB had managed to infiltrate SDECE, his own intelligence service, at the highest levels. At first, he had assumed Golitsyn was a "lunatic". Then, Angleton gave him a "shopping list" of questions about US missile programs. It was, according to Golitsyn, to be filled by SDECE officers moonlighting for the KGB. Again, it sounded "insane" to him that French officers would be spies for the KGB and acquire US secrets on demand. His view changed radically when SDECE headquarters told him to organize a spying operation in Washington. Its targets were precisely the ones that Golitsyn had identified. He alerted the head of his service that a KGB spy ring was operating from within its ranks. In November 1963, he learned from an associate in France that he had been ordered assassinated by his own intelligence service. When he received a telegram the next week ordering him back to Paris, he assumed it was his death notice.
Rather than returning to Paris, he resigned from the French Secret Service in November 1963. Angleton helped arranged his defection. After years of hiding his identity, he sold a book idea to Leon Uris for Topaz, and moved to Lighthouse Point, Florida.
He told me over a leisurely dinner that he still had extensive files on the "take" from Golitsyn which I could see if I came to Florida. It was an offer I quickly accepted."
Colonel L. Robert Castorr:
Would be linked to a gun running scheme to Cuba with Nancy Perrin Rich and Jack Ruby.
The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1November 7, 1957
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/
(L. Robert Castorr) “Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas...”
Registrations by LobbyistsAn article from CQ Almanac 1970
Following is a list of persons and organizations that filed lobby registrations from Dec. 23, 1969 (the date of adjournment of the First Session of the 91st Congress) to Jan. 3, 1971 (the date of adjournment of the Second Session of the 91st Congress)
NATIONAL TAX ACTION INC., 1033 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. Filed 1/16/70.
Registered for itself.
Legislative interest—“Appropriations, taxation and economy in Government. In general, opposed to increased spending without more economy. Favor less international commitments, and less taxation.”
Expenses—“Anticipated, $100 each for two agents, totaling $200 monthly to cover expenses.”
Lobbyist—L. Robert Castorr, president, same address as employer. Filed 1/16/70.
Legislative interest—“Economy in Government.”
CERTIFICATE OF AMENDMENT TO CERTIFICATE OF LIMITED PARTNERSHIP OF MEWBOURNE ENERGY PARTNERS 98-A, L.P. http://www.secinfo.com/dsvrp.61nw.htm#23w The Registrant engages primarily in oil and gas development and production and is not involved in any other industry segment. EXHIBIT A GENERAL PARTNER INTEREST MEWBOURNE ENERGY PARTNERS 98-A L. Robert Castorr (A general partner among several others).
Frank Brandstetter: (A tantalizing side note):
Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false
p. 117 In March, 1951, Brandy took over the management of the restaurant chain for Continental Trailways, a newly formed subsidiary of the Santa Fe Railroad. Trailways would become the nation's second largest bus company after Geryhound. Maurice Moore appointed Brandy as President of the restaurant subsidiary, Continental Restaurants. Continental was headquartered in Dallas, TX. Brandy planned the construction of new bus depots. Developed training and instruction manuals, and introduced pre-cooked frozen meals to smaller kitchens within a four hundred mile radius from a central kitchen in Dallas. He designed their logo, and raised sales from $215,000 in 1951 to $1,228,000 in 1953.
p. 125. “General Carl L. Phinney, an attorney for Continental Trailways and commander of the Texas National Guard knew that Brandy was looking for new ventures.” Clint Murchison was a “member of the Board of Directors of Continental Trailways.”
Warren Report p. 732.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=756&tab=page
“On September 26, Oswald boarded Continental Trailways bus No. 5133 in Houston and departed at 2:35 AM for Laredo, TX...”
Lester Logue:
I saw Lester Logue identified as a Colonel somewhere, but for the life of me can't find it again.
REPORT:INTERCONTINENTAL PENETRATION FORCES/NEUTRALITY MATTERShttps://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44539&search=lester_logue#relPageId=3&tab=page
Page 3
Met with Hemming in July, 1963
Also met with Hall and Seymour who left a trailer full of weapons at his house in October, 1963.
Posted on the Education Forum 2/4/19
Captain, William Paul “Pat” Gannaway.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158496812/william-paul-gannaway
Birth
3 Feb 1916
Whitney, Hill County, Texas, USA
Death
4 Jun 2000 (aged 84)
Austin, Travis County, Texas, USA
Burial
Cook-Walden Capital Parks Cemetery and Mausoleum
Pflugerville, Travis County, Texas, USA
Full text of "Hoch Paul Correspondence"
_ ECHOES OF CONSPIRACY " Vol . 10, #2 July 22, 1988 Paul L. Hoch
https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/nsia-HochPaulCorrespondence/Hoch%20Paul%200952_djvu.txt
An article on "Spies in Dallas?" in a Dallas paper in summer 1963 lends support to speculation about active ONI interest, as it does to many ideas about a nexus of DPD, federal, and private intelligence outfits in Oswald's Dallas milieu. Capt. Pat Gannaway of the DPD (and Army Intelligence Reserve)
described the work against subversion and espionage of his Special Services Bureau, requiring "the closest cooperation" with other agencies, including the FBI, "military intelligence teams 'from the Army, Navy, and Air Force, and other federal agencies .... Dallas police have been highly successful in recent years in penetrating so-called subversive or radical groups...."
Posted Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Posted by Bill Kelly at 6:50 AM
http://jfkcountercoup2.blogspot.com/2013/02/spies-in-dallas-police-alert.html
Spies in Dallas? Police Alert
Spies in Dallas? Police Alert
By JERRY RICHMOND
Staff Writer
“A man would be a fool to say any city in the United States is secure from subversion and espionage.”
This statement was made by the man in charge with keeping an eye on activities in Dallas involving espionage, subversion and sabotage for the Dallas Police Department.
‘Sensitive’
Police Captain Pat Gannaway, head of the department’s special services bureau, and a dozen of hand-picked offices under Lieutenant J. R. Revill in the criminal intelligence section of his bureau have been assigned to work with federal and state intelligence officials to guard the Dallas area from penetration by subversives seeking to harm the nation’s security.
Within this bureau fall all the things of a sensitive nature, and they…expionage and subversive activities….must be watched at all times,” the veteran police officer and reserve lieutenant colonel in the Army Intelligence corps said.
In addition to other country and state agents, the bureau’s work involves close support of Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the Army, Navy and Air Force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here.
This combined federal, state and local team has men laced throughout the industrial and strategic points in the city’s life line.
The job of the intelligence action in Capt. Ganaway’s bureau, besides keeping check on organized crime, requires the closets cooperation with these other government agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups and individuals suspected of espionage.
Dallas police have been highly successful in recent years in penetrating so-called subversive groups or radical groups which appear likely some day to cause danger to the public.
Penetration
In many cases undercover agents actually joined these groups to get names, addresses, past activities and future plans or have established networks of informants to accomplish the same result.
Private business,, retail credit bureaus, utility companies and even employers often provide invaluable information on suspicious persons who are kept under surveillance for months without their knowledge.
With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Unites) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city.
Captain Gannaway's men daily face the problem of changing membership in organization under question. He noted the most difficult part of the job is the freedom of movement of known subversives, but added: “That freedom is the dearest thing we have and I would not restrict it even for those who would destroy it.”
PLANT SECURTIY
Other civilians involved as a group in national security work at the local level are corporation security officers.
Floyd Purvis, manger of corporation security for Texas Instruments, pointed out that all plants in the Dallas-Fort Worth area with defense contracts operate under strict Department of Defense security regulations similar to those on military bases.
Employees in the plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and the key jobs are given strict government security clearances.
UPGRADING
Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security, an organization in which Mr. Purvis is a local chairman.
Such governmental and civilian counter-intelligence activities are seldom publicized until a spy is caught, but local activity by these agencies has placed Dallas and other American cities in the fight against intrigues in a web of espionage.
Every citizen has a role in the nation’s security, Capt. Gannaway concluded. Often one small tip from an individual has meant bringing the pieces together for some intelligence agency.
Col. B.B. Smith
Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/
B.B. Smith. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police.Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission.
Reported directly to Chief Curry.
Batchelor Exhibit 5002
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
George Lumpkin was the Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Army Reserve School.
Colonel. B.B. Smith
Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/
I called this thread the Revolt of the Colonels because I am reminded so much of the Generals' Putsch in Algeria in April, 1961. While the four generals were the public face of the attempted coups d'etat, the driving behind it were the colonels and captains of the French armed forces.
SECRET SERVICE: ON THE KNOLL AND BEYOND
Originally written January 21, 2008
last edited January 19, 2018
© by Steve Thomas
While there have been other accounts of laypersons encountering a person or persons whom they identified as Secret Service agents on November 22, 1963, this article will focus on the experiences of local law enforcement personnel. The idea that a “secret service agent” was allegedly encountered on the grassy knoll is well known, but the encounters local Dallas law enforcement personnel had on November 22, 1963 with persons whom they either identified or were identified to them as being agents of the United States Secret Service in the immediate hours after the assassination of President Kennedy is more extensive than is commonly known. This article will focus on their collective experiences.
On September 24, 1964 the President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy issued its long-awaited report. Named after its chairman, Chief Justice Earl Warren, in Appendix XII of their Report the Commissioners addressed various Speculations and Rumors concerning the assassination. In this Appendix, they wrote,
“Many people who witnessed the assassination and the killing of Oswald or were present in the area were a major source of diverse and often contradictory information. As is easily understood under such circumstances, all of the witnesses did not see and hear the same thing or interpret what they saw and heard the same way and many changed their stories as they repeated them. …Moreover, those closest to the assassination were subjected to a physical and emotional strain that tended to affect their recollections of what they thought they saw or heard,”1.
Undoubtedly, this is how they would have characterized the testimony of Dallas Police Department Officer, Joe Marshall Smith. On November 22, 1963, Officer Smith
was stationed at the intersection of Elm and Houston Streets. His job was to hold back traffic heading west down Elm St. and prevent it from interfering with the motorcade as it progressed through the Elm and Houston intersection. He told the Warren Commission that at the time of the shots, he started up towards the Texas School Book Depository, when, “…this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.”2.
As Officer Smith ran down the Elm St. Extension that runs directly in front of the TSBD, he checked the bushes and the cars in the parking lot behind the grassy area back from Elm St. towards the railroad tracks. However, he was not alone. Smith told the Warren Commission that, “Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there. I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent”. Warren Commission Counsel, Wesley Liebeler asked Officer Smith if he had accosted this man. Joe Smith replied, “Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was”. Liebeler asked if Smith remembered who it was and Smith replied, “No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over here in this particular section.”3.
Perhaps Officer Smith’s recollection could have been tainted by his “physical and emotional strain”, except for two things. First, he said that the Secret Service agent “showed me that he was a Secret Service agent”. The question arises, had Officer Smith ever seen Secret Service credentials? As a matter of fact, Smith told author Anthony Summers that he had. As he said to Summers, “The man, this character produced credentials from his hip pocket which showed him to be Secret Service. I have seen those credentials before, and they satisfied me and the deputy sheriff.”4.
Secondly, Smith says a Deputy Sheriff was present. This Deputy may or may not have been Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman, because he too reports an encounter with Secret Service agents in Dealey Plaza immediately following the assassination. Deputy Weitzman told Warren Commission Counsel Joseph Ball that at the time of the assassination, he was standing at the corner of Main And Houston Sts. At the sound of the shots, he immediately ran into Dealey Plaza and scaled the wall that runs between the railroad tracks and the Elm St. Extension. Counsel Ball asked him if he noticed anything in the railroad yards. Weitzman answered, “We noticed numerous kinds of footprints that did not make sense because they were going different directions”. Mr. Ball asked if there were other people there. Weitzman replied, “Yes, sir; other officers, Secret Service as well, and somebody started, there was something red in the street and I went back over the wall and somebody brought me a piece of what he thought to be a firecracker and it turned out to be, I believe, I wouldn't quote this, but I turned it over to one of the Secret Service men and I told them it should go to the lab because it looked to me like human bone. I later found out it was supposedly a portion of the President's skull.”5. Weitzman indicates that more than one agent was present and has enough of an encounter with one of them not only speak to him, but also to hand him something.
Were there other sightings of Secret Service agents by local law enforcement personnel? Surprisingly enough, there were. At least eight other members of the Dallas Police Department and/or Dallas Co. Sheriff’s office had an encounter with someone who they identified, or were identified to them as being members of the United States Secret Service.
Was there a Secret Service Agent in the motorcade’s pilot car? When Mr. McCloy asked White House Detail Advance man, Winston Lawson if there was a Secret Service agent in the pilot car, Lawson firmly said, “No sir; there was not.” He told McCloy that the first SS agent was in the lead car.6.
Two of the Dallas Police Detectives who rode in that car however, either reported or testified that there was a secret service agent in the car. In his undated after-action report filed with Police Chief Jesse Curry, Detective B.L. Senkel, who rode in the car, wrote, “Deputy Chief Lumpkin told us there would be a Secret Service Agent riding with us from Love Field. We left Love Field ahead of the motorcade. Deputy Chief Lumpkin driving, Detective Turner in front right seat. I was sitting in the left rear seat, the army officer in the center, and the Secret Service agent in right rear seat.”7. In his undated after-action report, his fellow Detective F. M. Turner would write, “A Secret Service man met us at Love Field. He rode in Chief Lumpkin’s car with us out in front of the motorcade.”8. On April 3, 1964, F.M. Turner was called to testify before the Warren Commission. He was asked about the occupants of the pilot car, and responded that in addition to his partner, Detective B.L. Senkel, and an Army major whose name I do not remember, there was also was, “…also a Secret Service man, whose name I do not remember.”9. Neither Deputy Chief Lumpkin, nor Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer was called by the Commission to testify.
In the Dallas Police Archives, there is an undated and unsigned report listing the positions assigned to the Homicide and Robbery Bureau officers for the security of the President. For B.L. Senkel and F.M. Turner, the report says that they were in a “Reconnaissance car with Chief G.L. Lumpkin of the City Police Department, Major Weiddemeyer of the U.S. Army, and Secret Service.”10. Also in the Archives, there is a rough draft of an unsigned and undated report listing the activities of the five men from Homicide and Robbery assigned to the President’s security (Fritz, Senkel, Turner, Boyd, and Sims). On the first page of that report is this paragraph, “At 9:50 AM Dets B.L. Senkel and F.M. Turner met Dept Chief George Lumpkin and Maj Weiddemeyer in the basement of the city hall and all proceeded to Love Field with Cheif Lumpkin driving, and arrived there at approx 10:30 AM. At approx 10:50 AM, they along with a Secret Service Agent left Love Field and proceeded the presidential party by approx ½ mile and was in constant radio contact with Chief Curry.”11. (spelling and grammatical errors left intact).
In an undated after-action report submitted by Lt. T.L. Baker concerning his duties between November 22nd and the 24th, Baker wrote, “Dets. Senkel and Turner arrived at Love Field at 11:40 AM with Chief Lumpkin, and Major Weiddemeyer, U.S. Army. After the President’s party’s plane had landed, they drove to the gate of Love Field at Cedar Springs and Mockingbird Lane. A Secret Service man had joined them at Love Field, and there were five people in their car.”12.
On November 30, 1963 Assistant Chief of Police Charles Batchelor and Deputy Chiefs George Lumpkin and M.W. Stevenson submitted a combined after-action report to Chief Curry. In his chapter of the report, Lumpkin wrote, “Upon arriving at Love Field, G.L. Lumpkin, B.L. Senkel, F.M. Turner, and George Whitmeyer, “…contacted Mr. Forrest Sorrels and Mr. Lawson and were introduced to Mr. Jack Puterbaugh, a member of the White House Staff, whom Mr. Lawson had requested to ride in the pilot car.13.
On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him. They were out about, they were supposed to stay about a quarter of a mile ahead of us and I was in the lead car.”14.
Given the fact that Winston Lawson told the Warren Commission that Jack Puterbaugh had flown into Dallas with him ten days previously on November 12th, and even after being “introduced” to Mr. Puterbaugh, why Detective Turner and Chief of Police Curry would testify to a blue ribbon commission almost five months later that it was a “secret service man” riding in the car remains a mystery.
Encounters with “secret service agents” also took place outside of Dealey Plaza. At 12:30 in the afternoon on November 22nd, Detective Marvin Buhk of the Dallas City Police Forgery Bureau was supplementing security at the Dallas Trade Mart where President Kennedy was due to give a speech that afternoon. He was on duty on the fourth floor of the Trade Mart when he received word of the President’s assassination. He said that Captain Jones then instructed him to proceed with Lt. Cunningham, E.E. Taylor, and J.B. Toney to the scene of the assassination to see what they could do.
At 1:34 PM, Car 410 radios in to Dispatch that 420 is “en route from Trade Mart with three detectives to the City Hall, unless otherwise directed.”
At 1:43, Dispatch acknowledges, “10-4, 410. 1:43. “
Enroute to the scene, they received word that a police officer had been shot in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas and Lt. Cunningham decided that they could do more good by going to that location immediately, rather than by way of the President’s shooting. While they were driving, they received word of the suspect being in the branch library at Jefferson and Marsalis. As Buhk wrote in his after-action report to Police Chief Jesse Curry on December 3, 1963, “We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”15.
Notice that Marvin Buhk speaks of more than one Agent being present. The “Secret Service man” Buhk spoke to was also a primary catalyst in shifting attention away from the branch library. At 1:34 PM, Patrolman C.T. Walker broadcasts on Channel 2 that the suspect is in the Library. At approximately 1:40 Sergeant C.B. Owens tells Dispatch, and the Dispatcher broadcasts to all cars to “Disregard all information on the suspect arrested, it was the wrong man.”16. This is only about an six-minute window of opportunity. When did these “secret service men” arrive at the Library, how did they know to go there, and when did one of them have time to “talk to the man previously”? Buhk was a Detective in the Forgery Bureau, which was part of the Criminal Intelligence Division, or CID. You would think that he would know the difference between fellow Detectives in the Special Service Bureau, and “Secret Service men.”
Persons identified as Secret Service Agents were also seen in and around the Texas School Book Depository. A Sergeant in the Dallas Police Department for a little over 17 years, D.V. Harkness was responsible for supervising the traffic officers from Main and Field along the parade route to Elm and Houston. Harkness was on a three-wheeled motorcycle and at the time of the shots, he drove to Main and Industrial to see if he could see anyone fleeing the area. Seeing none, he drove to the front of the TSBD and along the fence that runs alongside the Elm St. Extension. There he encountered Amos Euins. After hearing what Euins had to say about seeing a rifle in a window, Harkness put him on the back of his motorcycle and delivered him to Inspector Sawyer’s car. He then went around to the back of the TSBD. Warren Commission Belin asked him if there was anyone else in the back of the building. Harkness answered, “There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.”17. Harkness remained at the back of the building until a squad relieved him. He was then assigned by Sawyer to go help search out the railroad cars.
The “Secret Service” agents D.V. Harkness encountered at the rear of the TSBD probably did not include the “agent” Roger Craig had an encounter with in the front of the Depository. On April 1, 1964 Roger Craig told the Warren Commission that he had been with the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department since October of 1959.18. Along with most of the deputies on duty that day, he had been standing in front of the Sheriff’s Office on the corner of Main and Houston Sts. watching the motorcade. When the shots rang out, he ran across Houston and Elm Sts, up the grassy knoll and into the railroad yards. While helping to keep people out of the railroad yards, he encountered witnesses Barbara and Arnold Rowland. After listening to their account, he turned this couple over to criminal investigator, Deputy Sheriff C.L. “Lummie” Lewis. After hearing that a bullet had ricocheted on the south side of Elm St., Craig and Buddy Walthers crossed Elm and began searching for evidence of a bullet. While searching on the south side of Elm, Craig heard a whistle and observed a person, whom he later identified as Lee Harvey Oswald run down the grassy park in front of the Elm St. extension and get into a Nash Rambler station wagon.19.
On November 23, 1963 he filed a Supplementary Investigation report with Dallas Sheriff, Bill Decker. In his report, he said that, “I tried to get across the street to stop the car and talk with subjects, but the traffic was so heavy, I could not make it. I reported this incident at once to a secret service officer whose name I do not know, then I left this area and went at once to the building and assisted in the search of the building.”20.
Years later, Roger Craig was to write,
"I learned nothing of this "Secret Service Agent's" identity until December 22, 1967 while we were living in New Orleans. The television was on as I came home from work one night and there on the screen was a picture of this man. I did not know what it was all about until my wife told me that Jim Garrison had charged him with being a part of the assassination plot. I called Jim Garrison then and told him that this was the man I had seen in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Jim then sent one of his investigators to see me with a better picture which I identified. I then learned that this man's name was Edgar Eugene Bradley. It was a relief to me to know his name for I had been bothered by the fact that I had failed to get his name when he had told me he was a Secret Service Agent and I had given him my information. On the night of the assassination when I had come home and discussed the day with my wife I had, of course, told her of this encounter and my failure to get his name."21.
Mr. Ratcliffe writes that Roger Craig learned from Jim Garrison that this man's name was Edgar Eugene Bradley, a right wing preacher from North Hollywood, California and part-time assistant to Carl McIntire, the fundamentalist minister who had founded the American Counsel of Christian Churches. Then-governor Ronald Reagan refused to grant the extradition request from Garrison for the indictment of Bradley during the New Orleans Probe.22.
Roger Craig told the Warren Commission that he entered the School Book Depository to aid in its search about 20 minutes after the shots were fired. The “secret service agent” Craig encountered may or may not have been the secret service agent Sims and Boyd saw on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository at the time the rifle was found at approximately 1:22PM.
Following the assassination, Detectives Richard M. Sims and Elmer L. Boyd of the Homicide and Robbery Bureau filed a joint after-action report with Police Chief Jesse Curry. In their undated report, Sims and Boyd said that while originally they were assigned to the Dallas Trade Mart to help with security; when they learned of the President’s shooting, they drove to Parkland Hospital with Captain Will Fritz. Chief Curry met them in front of the hospital and ordered Captain Fritz to go to the scene of the shooting. Sims and Boyd returned to downtown Dallas along with Captain Fritz and Sheriff Bill Decker. They arrived at the Texas School Book Depository at approximately 12:58PM and participated in the search of the TSBD. They report that the rifle was found at about 1:25PM and identify persons who were present when it was photographed. They knew enough of the federal agencies involved to make the distinction between the FBI, the Secret Service and officers of the ATF. They wrote, “Detective Studebaker and Lieutenant Day took pictures of the rifle. Mr. Pinkston of the F.B.I. and a Secret Service Agent were there at the time the pictures were being made. We don’t know the Secret Service agent’s name. Mr. Ellsworth and another officer from Alcohol Tax Department were also there.”23.
Though the timing is right; for two reasons, I do not believe that this Secret Service Agent is Forrest Sorrels. Forrest Sorrels was head of the Secret Service, Dallas Field office and was the only known member of the Secret Service to return immediately to downtown Dallas following the shooting. In their Final Report, the House Select Committee on Assassinations was to conclude, “In every instance, therefore, the Committee was able to establish the movement and the activities of Secret Service agents. Except for Dallas Agent-in-Charge Sorrels, who helped police search the Texas School Book Depository, no agent was in the vicinity of the stockade fence or inside the School Book Depository on the day of the assassination.”24. A careful reading of Sorrrels’ Warren Commission testimony however, shows that the HSCA’s conclusion might have been in error.
Sorrels was in the lead car of the motorcade with Secret Service advance man, Winston Lawson, Police Chief Jesse Curry, and Sheriff Bill Decker. When the President was shot, they accompanied the motorcade to Parkland Hospital. Sorrels told the Warren Commission that after watching Governor Connally and President Kennedy taken into the Hospital, “I immediately went into a police car that was leaving and asked them to take me to the building as fast as they could, and when I said the building I meant the one on the corner there, which was the Book Depository.”25. He testified that they arrived back at the TSBD no more than 20 – 25 minutes after the shots were fired.26.
This policeman is identified as B.L. Senkel. In his undated after-action report filed with Chief Curry, Senkel said that he rode in the pilot car and followed the motorcade to Parkland Hospital. He watched the victims being unloaded, and then left the hospital at 12:45PM. He wrote that he, “Had additional passenger, Forrest Sorrels, U.S. Secret Service. We proceeded to scene of shooting. Arrived at the Texas School Book Depository, Houston and Elm Street at about 12:50PM November 22, 1963.”27.
Earlier I said that there were two reasons that I did not believe Forrest Sorrels was the Secret Service agent Sims and Boyd saw on the sixth floor. The first is that the two Dallas Police detectives said that the agent was unknown to them. Forrest Sorrels told the Warren Commission however, that “…the Dallas Police Department, in my opinion, has some very good leaders, career men who have been there for many years, and due to the fact I have been located in Dallas for many, many years I know these people personally.” (not speaking of Sims and Boyd in particular).28. He also said that over the course of the weekend, he had to identify himself numerous times. “Many times when I would be going into the third floor area there, they would start to stop me, and a lot of the guys that would know me would say, "That is Sorrels of the Secret Service." That happened more than once. And, of course, I would have to go ahead and identify myself. The officers that were on duty that had seen me before would recognize me and pass me through.”29.
Secondly, a careful reading of Forrest Sorrels testimony indicates that he did not go up to the sixth floor. He arrived at the TSBD, went in the back door and immediately asked for the building manager, who was standing right there. He identified himself and asked for a list of employees. While he was talking to Mr. Truly, he asked if anyone saw anything. Howard Brennan and Amos Euins were pointed out to him. He interviewed them and then took them to the Sheriff’s Department to get their statements. He also spent time talking to the Rowlands and also apparently talked to Julia Ann Mercer about a stalled truck in the area before the parade, because he told the Commission that in addition to the truck, “… this lady said she thought she saw somebody that looked like they had a guncase. But then I didn't pursue that any further-- because then I had gotten the information that the rifle had been found in the building and shells and so forth.”30. In other words, he was not present when the rifle was found on the sixth floor, where Sims and Boyd said that a ”secret service agent” was present. Sorrels then went on to accompany Abraham Zapruder to several locations attempting to get his film developed.
While the HSCA concluded that Sorrels was the only known Secret Service Agent to have returned to downtown Dallas in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, and he went there from Parkland Hospital; on the Log of the Radio Transcripts of Channel 2 that are in the Dallas Police Archives, there is this exchange:
At 12:38PM on channel 2, #39 breaks in and says, "39 clear me with a 202 assignment in -- station wagon with secret service man downtown".
A couple of entries later, it appears that someone says, "And 139 meet me at -- entrance to Love Field. I have additional cars to route out there".
(The Dispatcher, presumably) says, "You will have to take them on because he is coming downtown with some secret service men. 110".
Then again, someone says, "I'm in the sergeant's car. 39, on the other hand, is still in the Love Field car."31.
In an email dated November 21, 2002, from noted author and JFK researcher, Ian Griggs, Ian said that on November 22nd, radio call sign# 39 was assigned jointly to Patrolmen J.F. Butcher of the Northwest Area substation, second platoon and Charles W. Comer of the Southwest Area substation, second platoon. Referencing Warren Commission Exhibit 2645 (page 5 of exhibit at 25H 911) Ian said that this Exhibit is an FBI report dated 15 June 1964, concerning whereabouts of police cars subsequent to assassination.32. They were on what Captain Talbert described as 'special assignment at specified locations during this shift.' In the case of these two particular officers, that location was Love Field.
What is odd is that this exchange does not appear in the transcription of Channel 2 provided in volume XXI of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits (Sawyer Exhibit A)33. or in volume 23 (CE 1974)34. It does appear in CE 705, but not until 12:54 PM.35. Forrest Sorrels was returning downtown from Parkland Hospital. Who was this agent that needed a ride from Love Field at 12:38PM?
There is strong evidence that there was a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald’s first interrogation at a time when no known Secret Service Agent was in the Police Headquarters. If that is the case, who could this person have been? In the same rough draft of an unsigned and undated report detailing the activities of the five detectives from Homicide and Robbery detailed to the security of the President referenced earlier in the Dallas Police Archives there is there is this entry on page four, “Capt Fritz interrogated Lee Oswald the first time at approx 2:20 PM. Present at this interrogation was FBI agenst Bookout and Hosty. Also a Secret Service Agent, Dets Sims and Boyd.”36. (spelling and grammatical errors left intact).
In his Warren Commission testimony of April 6, 1964, Detective Elmer L. Boyd testified that he took Lee Harvey Oswald to Captain Fritz’s office for questioning at 2:20PM. He was asked if there was a Secret Service agent present. He responded, “Let me see---I think there was a Secret Service man there, but I don't recall---I don't know what his name was.”37. Boyd described taking Oswald down for his first lineup at 4:05PM and returning to the office at 4:20PM. Joseph Ball asked him if there was a Secret Service man there. Boyd answered, “I think there was a Secret Service man there.” Mr. BALL. “More than one?” Mr. BOYD. “Just one.” Mr. BALL. “Do you know his name?” Mr. BOYD. “Let me see if I have it here.”38. Ball then diverted the conversation to a discussion of Secret Service Inspector Kelley’s presence (who told the House Subcommittee on Assassinations on September 19, 1978 that he was in Louisville, KY on November 22, 1963 and did not arrive in Dallas until that evening). Mr. Matthews. “I want to call your attention to November 22, 1963. At that time you were in Louisville, KY?” Mr. Kelley. “Yes sir.” 39. On arriving in Dallas, Kelley said that he met with Mr. Sorrels and they then went to the police department. For some reason, Kelly believed that he attended the second interrogation of Oswald. He was also under the impression that no one from the Secret Service had talked to Oswald prior to his arrival. Mr. EDGAR. “Did he indicate to you at that time that you were the first Secret Service agent to talk with him?” Inspector KELLEY. “No; I don't recall that conversation with him.” Mr. EDGAR. “Had he encountered any other Secret Service agents prior to your conversation with him?” Inspector KELLEY. “No; he hadn't.”40. However, as we will see later, Secret Service Agents had been talking with Oswald much earlier in the day.
Although it is probably a minor point, in an affidavit filed with the Warren Commission on June 1, 1964, Kelley said that he was in Lexington, where he had been engaged in a special assignment. He flew to Dallas directly from Lexington and arrived in Dallas at approximately 10:30PM.41. What is not in doubt is that Kelley was not the Secret Service Agent Boyd was about to identify.
Detective Richard M. Sims was also present during this first interrogation and when he was asked by Joseph Ball on April 6, 1964 who was present during this first interrogation, Sims responded, “Well, let's see, we first went in there at 2 and we stayed in there evidently--this says here that the Secret Service and the FBI took part in the interrogation of Oswald with Captain Fritz, and we took him down to the first showup at 4:05.”42. After the first lineup, they brought Oswald back to Fritz’s office at 4:20PM. Mr. Ball asked who was present then. Sims answered, “The FBI agents and Secret Service agents talked to Oswald some more.” Mr. BALL. “What were their names?” Mr. SIMS. “I don't know their names.” Mr. BALL. “You didn't record the names of the Secret Service officers?” Mr. SIMS. “No, sir.”43.
The other Dallas Policeman known to be present was Captain Will Fritz. When he testified to the Warren Commission on April 22, 1964, Fritz claimed not to remember who else was there besides FBI agents Bookhout and Hosty.44. However, in an undated summary of his interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, Captain Fritz wrote that as soon as found out that it was Lee Harvey Oswald who had been brought in for the killing of J.D. Tippit, “I instructed the officers to bring this man into the office after talking to the officers for a few minutes in the presence of Officers R.M. Sims and E.L Boyd of the Homicide Bureau and possibly some Secret Service men.”45.
Deputy Police Chief, M.W. Stevenson, commander of the criminal investigation division, testified before the Warren Commission on March 23, 1964. He had been stationed at the Trade Mart, later went to the hospital, and escorted President Kennedy’s hearse to Love Field. After Air Force 1 departed Dallas, he returned to Police Headquarters where he arrived about 4:00PM. He was asked if he saw Oswald at that time. Stevenson answered, “No, sir; I didn't; he was being interviewed, but I did not see him. Mr. HUBERT. “Who was interviewing him?” Mr. STEVENSON. “Captain Fritz and some FBI agent, I don't know who, and I believe a Secret Service agent.”46
Police Chief Jesse Curry too is a witness to the presence of a Secret Service Agent during Oswald’s first interrogation between 2:20PM and 4:05PM. Curry had returned to Love Field with Vice President Johnson’s party and witnessed his swearing in as the new President. After Johnson departed Dallas at 2:47PM, Curry spoke to Mayor Cabell and others and then returned to Police Headquarters accompanied by Secret Service Agents Winston Lawson and David Grant. He told the Warren Commission that he arrived at Headquarters at 4:00PM and added, “At that time I understood there was a representative from Secret Service already in the room and the representative from the FBI went in--one or two FBI representatives.”47.
FBI Agent James Bookhout was interviewed on April 8, 1964 and told the Warren Commission that he and Agent Hosty entered the room at 3:15PM. He was not asked if there were Secret Service Agents present. 48.
Forrest Sorrels tried to leave the impression with the Warren Commission that he was present in the Dallas Police Headquarters early in the afternoon of November 22nd; testifying that he arrived “fairly close to 2:00PM.”49. However, I do not believe this is true for six reasons:
1) From their testimony, it is apparent that Detectives Sims and Boyd did not know or did not record the name of the “secret service agent” who was present during Oswald’s first interrogation. Sorrels said that when he started to talk to Oswald, Oswald said, "I don't know who you fellows are, a bunch of cops." And I said, "Well, I will tell you who I am. My name is Sorrels and I am with the United States Secret Service, and here is my commission book."50. If Sorrels identified himself on November 22nd and showed his credentials, why were Sims and Boyd testifying in April of 1964 that they did not know who this person was?
2) After arriving at the TSBD at 1:00PM, I do not believe that Sorrels could have spoken with Mr. Truly and asked for a list of employees, spoken to Amos Euins and Howard Brennan, taken them to the Sheriff’s Office where he got their statements, talked to Arnold and Barbara Rowland and Julia Ann Mercer, learn of Abraham Zapruder and his film, go to his office and then accompany him to three different photography studios trying to get his film developed, and make it back to Dallas Police Headquarters by 2:00PM. If nothing else, traffic was almost at a standstill. SA Winston Lawson told the Warren Commission that, “I recall that it was very bad traffic in the downtown area. We were bumper to bumper and didn't move a few times because apparently the chief thought everybody was converging on the downtown area to see this, plus all the people who had been there when it happened and just stayed there.”51.
3) Phillip Willis was a retired Air Force Major and amateur photographer. He and his wife Marilyn had taken their children out of school that day to go down and see the President and get some pictures. Marilyn Willis told Harold Weisburg that they remained in Dealey Plaza for about an hour after the assassination and then drove out to the Eastman Kodak plant near Love Field to get their pictures developed. She said that they arrived at the plant while Air Force 1 was taking off for the return flight to Washington. From Secret Service accounts, we know that that occurred at 2:47PM. She said that while they were waiting for their pictures to get developed, Abraham Zapruder arrived at the plant with Forrest Sorrels. Both Phillip and Marilyn Willis confirmed to Harold Weisberg that before Sorrels left, all the films had been processed, “and all viewed them.”52. Sorrels could not have returned to downtown Dallas before 3:00PM and it was probably closer to 4:00PM.
4) While Sorrels told the Warren Commission that he arrived at Police Headquarters “fairly” close to 2:00PM, FBI Agent James Hosty told the Commissioners that it was much later. Hosty testified, “At approximately 6 p.m. on the 22d of November 1963, Special Agent in Charge Forrest V. Sorrels of the United States Secret Service entered Captain Fritz' office with about five or six Secret Service agents. He then proceeded to interview Lee Harvey Oswald, I was not present during this interview. I did see him take Lee Oswald to the rear of Captain Fritz' outer office and interview Lee Oswald. It appeared to me that Forrest Sorrels of the Secret Service had appeared for the purpose of representing the United States Secret Service in this investigation.”53.
5) By all accounts, Captain Fritz handled the first interrogation, but when Forrest Sorrels arrived to talk to Oswald, he took Oswald in a back room 54. and handled the interrogation himself. Winston Lawson confirmed this and also appears to have confirmed James Hosty’s account of Sorrels, et.al. arriving at 6:00PM.
Mr. LAWSON. “Mr. Sorrels and a couple other agents and myself saw Lee Harvey Oswald when he was brought in for Mr. Sorrels to talk to at Mr. Sorrels' request.” Mr. STERN. “Did you interrogate him”? Mr. LAWSON. “No, sir; I did not.” Mr. STERN. “Did Mr. Sorrels handle the interrogation alone?” Mr. LAWSON. “Yes, sir; that particular one.” Mr. LAWSON. “Mr. Sorrels in asking the questions already had some background on Mr. Oswald before he started questioning Mr. Oswald. The detectives or other individuals had told them what they knew up to this point about Oswald, his name, that he had been out of the country previous to this time to Russia, and a few other things. It was known at the particular time, perhaps 6 or 7 o'clock.”55.
6) According to the transcripts of the police radio traffic prepared by the Dallas Police Department in March, 1964 (Warren Commission Exhibit 705), Patrolman C.L. Osburn (# 113) radioed into Headquarters at 2:21 PM on Channel 1, “I have 3rd Platoon Officer, Joe B. Jones with me. We are to remain out on special assignment from Elm and Houston to the Dallas Morning News with Mr. Sorrels of the Secret Service.”56. At 3:00 PM on Channel 2, the Deputy Chief N.T. Fisher asked the Dispatcher to have someone check out at Parkland Hospital for any local Secret Service personnel. Sgt. W.C. Campbell (# 280) asks over Channel 2, “Will you find out if Mr. Sorrels from the Secret Service is out there and advise 4?” (Deputy Chief Fisher).57. At 3:14 PM the Dispatcher advised Deputy Chief Fisher that Sorrels was not at Parkland. “The last information we had was he was going to the Dallas Morning News Building.”58. At 3:20 PM, the Dispatcher advised Deputy Chief Fisher, “Sorrels is now enroute to Captain Fritz’s office.”59.
In Chapter II of the Warren Report the Commissioners concluded “Other Secret Service agents assigned to the motorcade remained at their posts during the race to the hospital. None stayed at the scene of the shooting and none entered the Texas School Book Depository Building at or immediately after the shooting…. Forrest V. Sorrels, special agent in charge of the Dallas Office, was the first Secret Service agent to return to the scene of the assassination, approximately 20 or 25 minutes after the shots were fired.”60.
A careful reading and cross-referencing of the reports filed by the Secret Service Agents assigned to protective service on November 22nd that can be found in Chapters 18 and 25 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits appears to bear this out. However, in its conclusion, the Warren Commission only addressed the whereabouts of the agents assigned to the motorcade.
There is a listing in the Dallas Police Archives of the Secret Service personnel who assisted in the investigation of Lee Harvey Oswald. These names include:
Forrest Sorrels
Mr. Kelley
William H. Patterson
Roger Warner
Winston Lawson
Mike Howard – whose actual name is James H. Howard
Charles Kunkel
John Howlett
Dave Grant 61.
William H. Patterson is one candidate for this Secret Service Agent who may have been present at Oswald’s first interrogation from 2:20PM to 4:05PM. In his Report dated 11/22/63, Patterson stated, “I stayed in the vicinity of Air Force I until it departed, at which time I returned to the Dallas Field Office.”62. Air Force One, with newly sworn-in President Lyndon Johnson left Dallas at 2:47PM. Patterson may have returned to the Dallas Field Office, but it is possible he didn’t stay there. Deputy Allan Sweatt would write in his Supplementary Investigation Report filed with Sheriff Bill Decker that he was in the Sheriff’s office taking various witness statements, and heard that a suspect had been arrested for the shooting of Officer Tippit. During this time, Deputy Bill Wiseman brought in two girls with some pictures, one of which showed the Sexton Building in the background. (These possibly are Mary Moorman and Jean Hill), Sweatt wrote, “This picture was turned over to Secret Service Agent Patterson, who gave this woman his card, advising her that the picture would be returned to her.”63. In his report, Sweatt does not give the time that these two girls with their pictures were brought in to see him. Patterson does not mention this incident in his Report.
Though not mentioned in the Dallas Police list of Agents who assisted in the investigation, another candidate for this mysterious agent would be Robert Steuart. Steuart had been stationed at the Trade Mart and gone to Parkland Hospital following the assassination. In his official Report, Steuart wrote, “After the President’s death was announced, I returned to the Dallas District Office and took over duties at the telephone, to correlate activities of other agents.”64. President Kennedy’s death was announced about 1:30PM and he could have returned to downtown Dallas in time to take part in Oswald’s interrogation. There is also a possibility that Steuart might not have remained at the Dallas District Office. In his case report on Lee Harvey Oswald, Captain Fritz has the following notation, “Detective C.N. Dhority #476 “Made copies of defendant’s identification for Mr. Stewart of Secret Service. Prepared case report.”65. I believe that Fritz meant Steuart. Dhority makes no mention of this in his after-action report.
Roger Warner and James H. “Mike” Howard were at Love Field assisting in security. After Jackie Kennedy boarded the plane for the return trip to Washington, word came from the Fort Worth Police that they had arrested a suspect driving at a high rate of speed from Dallas to Fort Worth and whom the Fort Worth Police thought might be involved in the assassination. Warner and Howard drove to Fort Worth where they interviewed Donald Wayne House and stated that, “At the time SA Howard and I left for Fort Worth to question the subject, Air Force I had not yet departed from Love Field.”66. In a two page interview with the House Subcommittee on Assassinations, Warner reported that while they were in the process of interviewing this suspect, word came to them that Oswald had been arrested.67.
In a February 15, 1999 article entitled “Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places”, author Vince Palamara quotes an article by reporter Earl Golz in the August 27, 1978 issue of the Dallas Morning News. In his article, Golz wrote that one Dallas Secret Service Agent named Elmer Moore did not submit a report, that he was in San Francisco and did not return to Dallas to join the investigation until a week later. Vince Palamara then went on to say that two other agents did not submit a written report: James H. “Mike” Howard and Charles Kunkel. Palamara wrote, “For his part, Howard claimed in a lecture in February 1999 that he was at the Hotel Texas cleaning up when the shooting occurred and that Kunkel was in Washington, D.C on an unspecified investigation at the time. Howard and Kunkel's whereabouts remain unverified.”68.
Even though Warner’s account of Howard participating in the interview of Donald Wayne House in Fort Worth is not corroborated by Howard, if Warner can be believed that he and Howard were in Fort Worth when news came to them that Oswald had been arrested by 2:00PM, I believe that a better candidate for the alleged Secret Service Agent who participated in Oswald’s first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM is Charles E. Kunkel.
On the afternoon of November 22nd, Detective James Leavelle was spearheading the investigation of Oswald for the murder of Officer J.D. Tippit. On April 7, 1964 he testified to the Warren Commission that he had gone to the Texas Theater, but because of the heavy traffic, had arrived too late to participate in Oswald’s arrest. He then went back to the police station and took affidavits from witnesses. “So, I proceeded back to the office to work on that end of it, checking with the captain, and they was tied up with the Presidential assassination, and not until we got there did I realize some few minutes later on, when talking to some of the people of the Texas Book Depository, did we realize Oswald could very well be the same one who assassinated the President.”69.
The minute that connection was made, the focus of the investigation changed. Will Fritz wanted Oswald in his office right then. FBI agents were called in and if six members of the Dallas Police Department can be believed, at least one Secret Service Agent whose identity has remained a secret ever since November 22, 1963. I believe that Agent is Charles Kunkel, the one Agent whose whereabouts on November 22nd can’t be confirmed. Policemen are proud of their collars and even after 35 years the idea of having one taken away from you still rankles. On the 35th anniversary of the assassination, the Texas Monthly magazine did an interview with several people who were witnesses to the events of November 22nd. One of the interviewees was Detective Jim Leavelle. During the conversation, he had this to say, ”I talked to him, yeah, about 10, maybe 15 minutes one-on-one before Captain Fritz and the other officers came back from the book depository, preparatory to going look for him, and found out he was already there. When the Captain came in and asked me what his name was, and I told him, he asked me where he worked, and he said the book depository, he said, 'You're the one I want to talk to.' So, in essence, they took my prisoner away. I lost my prisoner. He and Chief Charles of the Secret Service”70.
Why Leavelle would have referred to him as “Chief” Charles is a mystery, and we can’t ask Kunkel because he passed away on June 27, 1992. When I asked James Leavelle why he referred to this person as Chief Charles in the article, former Detective Leavelle answered, “I did not say Charles, I said ‘Sorrels, Chief of the S.S.’.”71. I asked the author of the article, Joe Patoski if he had recorded the interview. He wrote me and said that he had not recorded the interview. He used notes and was unsure where those notes were now72. So, is this an error in transcription? We’ll probably never know.
In a July 9, 1992 article, the Cross Plains Review said that Charles Kunkel went on to become the Special Agent-in-Charge of the Austin Office, where he retired in 198273. By James Levealle's reasoning, Charles Kunkel would also be called “Chief” Charles.
If Charles Kunkel was indeed on an “unspecified assignment in Washington, D.C.”, there is the question of when he returned to Dallas. We know from the testimony of Mr. James Herbert Martin, who has acted as the business manager of Mrs. Marina Oswald and at the time was Resident Manager of the Six Flags Inn, that James Howard and Charles Kunkel were the Secret Service Agents who arranged for the Oswald family to stay at the motel.”74. Was Charles E. Kunkel the “Secret Service man” who needed a ride from Love Field to downtown Dallas at 12:38PM as recorded in the transcripts of the Dallas Police radio log? Was he also on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository when the rifle was found at 1:22PM?
SA Lawson, in a police car, led the motorcade that took JFK's body from Parkland Hospital back to Love Field at 2:14 PM.75.
What does all this mean? For one thing, the incidents of Dallas Policemen and Deputy Sheriffs encountering someone whom they identified, or were identified to them as being members of the U.S. Secret Service is more extensive than is commonly known. There are at least twelve accounts (if you count the identification of Jack Puterbaugh as a Secret Service agent in the pilot car by Detectives Senkel and Turner), and eighteen if you count the six policemen who say there was a Secret Service Agent present during Oswald’s first interrogation beginning at 2:20PM. One of the most astounding elements in all these cases is that aside from the mention by James Leavelle of a Chief Charles thirty five years after the fact, there is no contemporaneous account of a single policeman recording the name of the “agent” or “agents” he encountered that day. In an article published in 2001, noted author, Debra Conway, with contributions from Michael Parks and Mark Colgan, examined the question of a secret service agent on the knoll in her article of the same name. After reviewing the testimony of various witnesses and member of the 112th Military Intelligence Group James Powell, Debra was able to determine who this “agent” was not.76. Since no Secret Service Agent aside from Forrest Sorrels is known to have returned to downtown Dallas in the immediate aftermath of John F. Kennedy’s assassination, were these agents impostors?
I believe that some were and some were not. I think that the agent on the sixth floor of the TSBD is genuine; the agent on the knoll is not. The agent needing a ride from the airport at 12:38 is probably genuine; the agents encountered at the library probably were not. The agents encountered at the back of the TSBD by David Harkness were probably imposters; the agent in the Dallas Police Headquarters was probably genuine. In either case, the implications are disturbing. It would be evidence of conspiracy if bogus agents were impersonating U.S. Secret Service officials that day; and if there were real Secret Service Agents in and around Dealey Plaza and this fact has been withheld from the American people for close to 40 years, then we have not been told the truth about what really happened one sunny November afternoon in Dallas, TX. In 1963.
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NOTES
1. President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, as cited in the History Matters Archive. The Warren Report, http://www.history-m...eport_0331a.htm pp. 637-638.
2. Testimony of Joe Marshall Smith. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 535, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0272a.htm
3. Ibid.
4. Summers, Anthony. Conspiracy, as cited in North, Mark. Act of Treason. New York: Carroll and Graf, 1991. p. 386.
5. Testimony of Seymour Weitzman. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 106, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0057a.htm
6. Testimony of Winston Lawson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 328, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol4_0168b.htm
7. Statement of B.L. Senkel, Detective re: President’s Assassination. Dallas Police Archives Box 3 Folder# 12, Item#1: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
8. Report on Officer’s Duties in Regards to the President’s Murder. F. M. Turner - #809. Dallas Police Archives Box 3 Folder# 13, Item#1: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
9. Testimony of F. M. Turner. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 218, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0113b.htm
10. Report-typed, by an unknown author. Lists positions assigned Homicide and Robbery Bureau officers for the security of the President, Dallas Police Archives Box 15, Folder # 2, Item# 58 date unknown: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
11. Note - typed, by an unknown author. Rough draft of a report of the events of November 22, 1963, (Photocopy), date unknown. Dallas Police Archives Box 7, Folder# 5, Item# 23, page 1 as cited in City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm
12. Report On Officer's Duties, by T. L. Baker. Photocopy of report by T. L. Baker regarding various aspects of his duties from November 22 through 24, 1963. Dallas Police Archives Box 5, Folder# 5, Item# 4, page 1 as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm
13. Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Charles Batchelor. Report by Assistant Chief and Deputy Chiefs summarizing the events between the assassination of Kennedy and the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Photocopy), 11/30/63: Dallas Police Archives, Box 14, Folder# 4, Item# 10 as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
14. Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matte..._Vol4_0089b.htm
15. From Report to Chief J. E. Curry, by Marvin A. Buhk. Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, (Original), 12/03/63. Dallas Police Archives, Box 2 Folder # 7: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm
16. Transcript of Radio Log, Channel 2. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, Sawyer Exhibit A, volume XXI, pp. 396-397, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol21_0211a.htm
17. Testimony of D.V. Harkness. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VI, p. 312, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol6_0161b.htm
18. Testimony of Roger Craig. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VI, p. 261, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol6_0136a.htm
19. Ibid. p. 266.
20. Officer Roger Craig. Supplementary Investigation Report November 23, 1963 as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol19_0271b.htm
21. When They Kill A President by Roger Craig. Unpublished manuscript.
From Dave Ratcliffe March 23, 1992 http://www.ratical.o.../JFK/WTKaP.html
22. Ibid.
23. "Report on Officer's Duty in Regard to the President's Murder, R. M. Sims. No. 629, and E. L. Boyd, No, 840. Dallas Police archives Box 3 Folder # 4, as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
24. HSCA Final Report. Summary of Findings and Recommendations p. 184 as cited in the History Matters Archives http://www.history-m...eport_0107b.htm p.214
25. Testimony of Forrest Sorrels. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 347, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0178a.htm
26. Ibid.
27. Statement of B.L. Senkel, Detective re: President’s Assassination. Dallas Police Archives Box 3 Folder # 12, Item# 1: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas...09/0978-001.gif
28. Sorrels. Warren Commission testimony. Op.Cit. p. 341.
29. Ibid. p. 359.
30. Ibid. p. 352.
31. Transcription of Radio Log, Channel 2, Dallas Police Archives Box 14 Folder # 4, Item# 11, Page 22: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm
32. Email from Ian Griggs, November 21, 2002.
33. Transcript of Radio Log, December 3, 1963. Shooting of President Kennedy, November 22, 1963. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XXI, pp. 391-392, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol21_0208a.htm
34. FBI report dated August 11, 1964 at Dallas, TX, of transcripts of Dallas police radio transmissions covering the period from 10:00 AM, November 22, 1963 to 6:00 PM, November 24, 1963… Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XXIII, pp. 914-915, Warren Commission Exhibit CE1974, as cited in History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol23_0473b.htm
35. Radio Log of Channel 1of the Dallas Police Department for November 22, 1963. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XVII, p. 466, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol17_0246b.htm
36. Note - typed, by an unknown author. Rough draft of a report of the events of November 22, 1963, (Photocopy), date unknown. Dallas Police Archives Box 7, Folder# 5, Item# 23, page 4 as cited in City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box7.htm
37. Testimony of Elmer L. Boyd. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 123, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0066a.htm
38. Ibid. p. 128.
39. Testimony of Inspector Thomas J. Kelley. House Subcommittee on Assassinations, Hearings and Appendix Volumes. Volume III, p. 325, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol3_0165a.htm
40. Ibid. p. 356.
41. Affidavit of Thomas J. Kelley. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 403, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0206a.htm
42. Testimony of Richard M. Sims. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 165, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0087a.htm
43. Ibid. p. 169
44. Testimony of J.W. Fritz. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 209, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol4_0109a.htm
45. Interrogation, by J. W. Fritz. Draft of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald. Dallas Police Archives, Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 111 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
46. Testimony of M.W. Stevenson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XII, p. 94, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol12_0051a.htm
47. Testimony of Chief Jesse E. Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XII, p. 30, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol12_0020b.htm
48. Testimony of James W. Bookhout. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 309, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0159a.htm
49. Testimony of Forrest Sorrels. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 352, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0180b.htm
50. Ibid. p. 353
51. Testimony of Winston G. Lawson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 354, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol4_0181b.htm
52. Weisberg, Harold. Whitewash II: The FBI – Secret Service Coverup. Harold Weisberg, 1966. p. 203.
53. Testimony of James Patrick Hosty, Jr. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 470, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol4_0239b.htm
54. Testimony of Forrest Sorrels. Op. Cit. p. 353
55. Testimony of Winston G. Lawson. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, 4H355-6, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol14_0182a.htm
56. CE 705 - Radio log of channel 1 of the Dallas Police Department for November 22, 1963. 17H428 as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol17_0227b.htm
57. Ibid. p. 481.
58. Ibid. p. 482.
59. Ibid. p. 482.
60. President’s Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, as cited in the History Matters Archive. The Warren Report, http://www.history-m...eport_0038b.htm p. 52.
61. Index Page, by an unknown author. Index page from notebook containing an inventory of information related to the investigation of the assassination and related cases - under index letter "s", (Original), date unknown. Dallas Police Archives Box 6 Folder # 1, Item# 72: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box6.htm
62. Report from William H. Patterson. Secret Service Memorandum dated November 30, 1963 regarding activities of various Secret Service agents on November 22, 1963. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XXV, p. 788, Commission Exhibit 2554, as cited in the History Matters Archive,
http://www.history-m...Vol25_0409b.htm
63. Dallas County Sheriff’s Office record of the events surrounding the assassination. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XIX, p. 533, as cited in the History Matters Archive, Decker Exhibit 5323, http://www.history-m...Vol19_0276a.htm
64. Report from Robert A. Steuart. Letter from the Secret Service to the Commission, dated June 11, 1964, with attached statements of Secret Service personnel, named below. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XVIII, p. 797, Commission Exhibit 1024, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol18_0406a.htm
65. Case Report, by J. W. Fritz. Case report on Lee Harvey Oswald includes officers as
witnesses. Dallas Police Archives Box 15, Folder# 1, Item# 92: as cited in the City of Dallas Archives – JFK Collection, http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box15.htm
66. Report from Roger C. Warner. Secret Service Memorandum dated November 30, 1963 regarding activities of various Secret Service agents on November 22, 1963. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume XXV, p. 787, Commission Exhibit 2554, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m...Vol25_0409a.htm
67. HSCA Document# 180-10093-10026. 2-page interview with Roger C. Warner dated 5/25/78, as cited in the review of the 12th Batch of ARRB Documents by Joseph Backes. Fair Play Magazine, volume 20, January-February, 1998.
68. Palamara, Vince. “Conspiracy Beliefs (and Denials) In High Places.” 2/15/99, As cited in the Kennedy Assassination Homepage, 1995-2002 by John McAdams, http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/beliefs.htm
69. Testimony of James R. Leavelle. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume VII, p. 262, as cited in the History Matters Archive http://www.history-m..._Vol7_0135b.htm
70. Patoski, Joe Nick. “What They Saw Then: Unedited Transcripts”, Texas Monthly, November, 1998. as cited in:
http://web.archive.o...anscripts.1.php
71. Email from Detective James Leavelle, retired. February 28, 2003.
72. Email from Joe Nick Patoski. March 3, 2003.
73. Texas Tech University Southwest Collection/Special Collections Library
Cross Plains Review, July 9, 1992 Article not bylined.
https://swco-ir.tdl.org/swco-ir/handle/10605/231140
74. Testimony of James Herbert Martin. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume I, p. 472, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://www.history-m..._Vol1_0242b.htm
75. CD 1026 p. 814
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=828&tab=page
76. Conway, Debra with contributions from Michael Parks and Mark Colgan. “The Secret Service Agent on the Knoll.” Kennedy Assassination Chronicles, vol. 6, Issue# 4, Winter, 2000, http://www.jfklancer...Chronicles.html.
HAWKINS AND HUTSON
3/21/17
Ray Hawkins and T.A. Hutson both participated in the apprehension of Lee Oswald.
Ray Hawkins call sign was 211
T.A. Hutson call sign was 284
J.D. Tippit is shot.
Multiple units respond.
A search of the houses in the vicinity is undertaken.
The search of the houses proves fruitless.
A suspect is spotted at the Library.
Multiple units respond.
Sometime between the search of the houses and the sighting of a suspect at the Library, Hawkins and Hutson make a stop at a Mobile Gas Station at 10th and Beckley to make a phone call, supposedly in response from a request from Dispatch to call in.
I do not find any reference to this phone call in the Dispatch tapes.
Is it odd that Tippit and Hawkins are making phone calls on a landline telephone right around this same time period?
And what was Hutson doing that he burned out the clutch on his motorcycle? Either the motorcycles in the DPD were poorly maintained, or Hutson was doing some pretty wild riding.
(Hawkins) We had just finished the accident at this time and I was driving an officer, Baggett, and I proceeded to Oak Cliff to the general vicinity of the call after checking out with the dispatcher, stating that we were proceeding in that direction. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm
From the Dispatch tapes - Between 1:16 and 1:19 PM:
DIS 211:
211.
DIS: 211.
211: We're clear, Industrial and Stemmons. We'll go out there.
DIS: 10-4, 211
We arrived in Oak Cliff and there were several squads in the general vicinity of where the shooting had occurred---different stories had come out that the person was--the suspect had been seen in the immediate vicinity.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to 10th and Patton?
Mr. HAWKINS. We drove by 10th and Patton--we didn't stop at the location.
Mr. BALL. Where did you go then?
Mr. HAWKINS. We circled the vicinity around Jefferson and Marsalis and in that area, talking to several people on the street, asking if they had seen anyone running up the alley or running down the street, and then they received a call, or I believe Officer Walker put out a call that he had just seen a white man running to the Oak Cliff Library, at which time we proceeded to this location. Officer Hutson had gotten into the car with us when we arrived in Oak Cliff, and there were three of us in the squad car--Officer Baggett, Officer Hutson, and myself.
Mr. BALL Hutson is also a patrolman?Mr. HAWKINS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. A uniformed patrolman?
Mr. HAWKINS. Yes, sir; he is a three-wheel officer.
(Hutson) http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hutson.htm
Mr. HUTSON. As I was being released, (From Elm and Houston) I heard the radio dispatcher come on the radio and give a Signal 19, and that a shooting involving a police officer in the 500 block of East Jefferson...
Mr. BELIN. When you heard this news about this shooting in Oak Cliff----by the way, where was your regular station ordinarily?
Mr. HUTSON. I worked west of Vernon on Jefferson.
Mr. BELIN. Is that Oak Cliff?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes; that is West Jefferson Boulevard.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do after you heard about the shooting?
Mr. HUTSON. I got on my motorcycle and I proceeded down through the triple underpass and up onto R. L. Thornton Freeway to Oak Cliff.
Mr. BELIN. Where did you go?
Mr. HUTSON. I exited off Jefferson and went to the 400 block of East Jefferson Boulevard and began a search of the two-story house behind 10th Street where the officer had been shot.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And after we searched this area, I got in the squad car with Officer Ray Hawkins, who was driving, and Officer Baggett was riding in the back seat.
Mr. BELIN. Why did you get inside the squad car?
Mr. HUTSON. The clutch on my motorcycle was burned out and I couldn't get any speed and I just barely made it over there, and I didn't know whether I would be able to start and go or not.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do?
Mr. HUTSON. We proceeded west on 10th Street to Beckley, and we pulled into the Mobil gas station at Beckley and 10th Street.
Mr. BELIN. That is a Mobil gas station?
Mr. HUTSON. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HUTSON. And Officer Ray Hawkins and Officer Baggett went inside of the Mobil gas station. And I am not positive, but I think they used the telephone to call in.
I am not positive, but I believe they gave us a call for us to call. I mean their number to call in.
At the time they were in the service station, I heard the dispatcher give a call that the suspect was just seen running across the lawn at the Oak Cliff Branch Library at Marsalis and Jefferson.
I reached over and blew the siren on the squad car to attract the officers' attention, Officers Baggett and Hawkins, and they came running out of the service station and jumped in the car, and I told them to report to, I can't remember, Marsalis and Jefferson, the suspect was seen running across the lawn at the library.
From the Dispatch tapes - 1:34 PM
22: They've got him holed up, it looks like, in this building over here at the corner.
22: (?) ...were you be?
85: 85, library.
DIS: 10-4.
211: 211 out at that location.
DIS: 10-4.
Hawkins is circling the area around Jefferson and Marsalis (where the Library is). (which is about six blocks east of where Tippit has been shot)
He heads west and picks up Hutson in the neighborhood of 10th and Patton. They continue west on 10th till they get to Beckley and 10th, where they make a phone call at a Mobil Gas Station. While they're in there on a phone call, Dispatch announces that a suspect has been seen at the Library, so they head back east again.
- Why didn't Hawkins mention this phone call when he testified before the Warren Commission on April 3, 1964? http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hawkins.htm
- Why did he and Baggett fail to mention this phone call in their after-action reports in the DPD JFK Archives? The first six lines of E.R. Baggett's and Ray Hawkins' Reports on the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald in the DPD Archives read word for word. Neither mention the stop at the Mobil Gas Station.
Baggett: Box 1, Folder# 4, Item# 13
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm
Hawkins: Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 18
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm - Why didn't Hawkins call in to Dispatch that he was “out of service”?
- Why did it take both Hawkins and Baggett to make this phone call? E.R. Baggett is a patrolman temporarily assigned to the DPD Special Service Bureau.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf - Why did neither Hutson or Hawkins call in to headquarters notifying them that Hutson is now with Hawkins?
- If Hawkins is on the phone to headquarters, why does Hutson need to turn on the siren alerting Hawkins and Baggett that the suspect has been seen at the Library?
- Why didn't Hutson call in to Dispatch that his motorcycle was disabled and needed a tow truck?
- What happened to Hutson's motorcycle after Oswald was apprehended? He testified,
Mr. HUTSON. “After we finished up in the theatre, I went downtown and went into the office...”
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hutson.htm - How did he get there?
- Why hasn't Hawkins' telephone call from the Mobil Gas Station received the same attention as Tippit's phone call from the Top Ten Record Store?
What do you think of the idea that Tippit's call at the Top Ten Record Store and Hawkins' call at the Mobil Gas Station are related; as in
"I can't find him.", or "He's not here.", meaning Oswald?
From the account's I've read, Tippit was behaving erratically, and the stop at Top Ten was a rushed affair.
A fellow officer has been shot. There is an armed and dangerous suspect on the loose. Hawkins responds to the Tippit shooting, but doesn't stop at 10th and Patton. He goes to the Library neighborhood at Jefferson and Marsalis and starts circling the neighborhood. He drives back to 10th and Patton, picks up Hutson, and then he and Baggett stop and make a phone call from a Mobil Gas Station at 10th and Beckley, leaving Hutson in the car. When Hutson blows the siren to let them know that a suspect has been seen at the Library, they go rushing back over there.
Is it possible that Tippit and Hawkins were calling the same people?
Steve Thomas
HARVEY LEE OSWALD
posted 08/23/17
(last updated 08/19/2019)
This is not to say that there wasn't a CIA file on a Harvey Lee Oswald, it's just that I am interested in such files that were not CIA related.
I've collected a few references that I have run across and, by no means, is this a comprehensive list.
1. Sheriff Decker's file on the assassination, given to the Warren Commission list the assailant's name as "Harvey Lee Oswald"
(12H51) (CE 5323) Deposition of Sheriff Decker dark brown heavy folder with a label on the outside: Harvey Lee Oswald.
Did Fritz make up the story about an officer telling him out in the hall before he went in to interview Oswald the first time that Oswald lived on Beckley? Did he get the name Harvey Lee Oswald and that he lived on Beckley from Decker when he stopped in to see Decker on his way back from the TSBD?
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
Detective B.L. Senkel also said in his after action report (Dallas Police Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item#1) that they arrived at 1026 N. Beckley at 3:00PM.
2. WC testimony of Earlene Roberts April 8, 1964
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/robertse.htm
Mr. BALL. Do you remember the day the President was shot?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; I remember it---who would forget that?
Mr. BALL. And the police officers came out there?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what they said?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was Will Fritz' men---it was plainclothesmen and I was at the back doing something and Mr. Johnson answered the door and they identified themselves and then he called me.
Mr. BALL. What did they say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mrs. ROBERTS. And he says, "I don't know, I'll have to call the housekeeper," and he called me and I went and got the books and I said, "No; there's no one here by that name," and they tried to make me remember and I couldn't, and Mrs. Johnson come in in the meantime and there wasn't nobody there by that name, and Mrs. Johnson said, "Mrs. Roberts, don't you have him?" And, I said, "No; we don't, for here is my book and there is nobody there by that name." We checked it back a year.
Mr. BALL. And you didn't have that name you didn't ever know his name was Lee Oswald?
Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.
WC testimony of Arthur Clark Johnson (owner of 1026 N. Beckley)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/johnso_a.htm
Mr. BELIN. Now, what did Mrs. Roberts say about this man having been at the home earlier that day--this O. H. Lee, which they had identified as Harvey Oswald?
At 2:40 PM, W.E. Potts, B.L. Senkel and Lt. E.L. Cunningham were dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley. Potts wrote in his after-action report (Box 2, Folder# 9, Item# 32) http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm that after he finished taking some affidavits, Fritz dispatched them to the Beckely St address at 2:40 and they arrived at Beckley at 3:00PM.
DPD Archives Box 3, Folder# 12, Item# 1 Undated Report of B.L. Senkel.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
He rode in the left rear seat of the motorcade's pilot car along with Deputy Chief George Lumpkin, F.M. Turner, George L. Whitmeyer, and Jack Puterbaugh.
(Lumpkin and Whitmeyer were Army Intelligence Reserves).
Walter E. Potts, Billy L. Senkel and Fay M. Turner were Detectives in Will Fritz's Homicide Bureau.
Lt. Elmo L. Cunningham was a lieutenant in the Forgery Bureau. Both Bureaus were part of the Criminal Investigation Division.
Batchelor's Exhibit 5002 (19H)
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
Billy Senkel, who rode in the Pilot Car with Army Reserve Officers George Lumpkin and George Whitmeyer, who was dispatched to 1026 N. Beckley, and when arriving, asked for Harvey Lee Oswald.
Was Senkel the unknown policeman who told Fritz out in the hall that Oswald lived on Beckley?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, they asked him if there was a Harvey Lee Oswald there.
Mrs. ROBERTS. No---he registered as O. H. Lee and they were asking for Harvey Lee Oswald.
CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted of TSBD employees to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill . It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth.
The man whose picture Earlene Roberts saw on the television, and knew as O.H. Lee, could have been known to military intelligence as
Oswald (comma) Harvey Lee
Oswald, Harvey Lee
O.H. Lee
Who was the first policeman Roy Truly talked to when he “discovered” that Lee Harvey Oswald was “missing”?
George Lumpkin
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/truly1.htm
Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing.
So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving.
Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do after you got that information?
Mr. TRULY. Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here.
Aftr talking to Lumpkin, Truly gave Fritz Oswald's description based on his job application (CE 496)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=236&tab=page
Representative FORD. In your description of Oswald to Captain Fritz, did you describe the kind of clothes that Oswald had on that day?
Mr. TRULY. I don't know, sir. No, sir; I just told him his name and where he lived and his telephone number and his age, as 23, and I said 5 feet, 9, about 150 pounds, light brown hair--whatever I picked up off the description there. I did not try to depend on my memory to describe him. I just put down what was on this application blank. That's the reason I called Mr. Aiken, because I did not want to mislead anybody as to a description. I might call a man brown-haired, and he might be blonde.
Oswald's job application didn't say anything about his hair color.
Who did the police turn to when they needed a Russian interpreter for Marina Oswald?
When Jack Crichton was asked by the Dallas Police to find a Russian interpretor for Marina Oswald, Crichton asked George Lumpkin to call Ilya Mamantov.
Warren Commission Hearings. Vol. XIX p. 106
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&search=Mamantov#relPageId=114&tab=page
Ilya Mamantov identified Jack Crichton as a petroleum independent contractor, “and if I'm not mistaken he is connected with the Army Reserve, Intelligence Service.” Five minutes later, George Lumpkin called Mamantov. Thirty minutes before they called Mamantov however, he had called the FBI and offered his services because he knew Oswald and “knew of his background here in Dallas.”
It was George Lumpkin who took command at the TSBD following the assassination and who Roy Truly first told that Lee Harvey Oswald was “missing”.
3. CE 2003 located in (24H259) is the list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Jack Revill of TSBD employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. The Report submitted to Gannaway says it is coming thru Jack Revill. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. Carroll and Taylor were also Detectives in that Bureau. W.P. Gannaway was the Captain and Revill was one of the Lieutenants.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
The first page of the list of TSBD employees reproduced in CE2003 can also be found in Box 5, Folder# 2, Item#101.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm
The index for this item says that this Intelligence Report was prepared by R.W. Westphal. The list shown in the DPD Archives is only page 1 of CE 2003 and shows the Warren Commission Exhibit page number, so it was included in the DPD Archives after the Warren Report.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box5.htm
Westphal had been assigned by Captain Gannaway to the Trade Mart on November 22nd. along with with Revill. DPD Archives Box 1, Folder# 11, Item# 8.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box1.htm
Lieutenant Revill told the Warren Commission that he drafted his report within 30 minutes to an hour of when he and Hosty had their conversation in the basement (5H39). The list of employees and their addresses were drawn up by Westphal and Parks, but Revill said he got the address from Bob Carroll. If, for the sake of argument, Revill got the Elsbeth address from Carroll, where did the name Harvey Lee Oswald come from? That's not the name on the library card. Unless Revill or Westphal got the name wrong as well as the address.
The list of TSBD employees reproduced in CE2003 can also be found in Box 4, Folder# 3, Item# 26 of the Dallas Police Archives, JFK Collection.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box4.htm and Box 18, Folder# 5, Item# 25 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm
I was looking at this list of employees and something hit me. The list was compiled by Roy Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section, and given to Jack Revill. Westphal and Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau.
The second column has the abbreviations at the top that says, "REF. INT". at the top.
Most of the names have NONE listed, but there are three names that have a number alongside their name. I always thought that the INT at the top of the column meant Interview, but then I remembered something. In the book, No More Silence by Larry Sneed, Westphal says that later in the evening on the 22nd, he and Parks had returned to their office at the Fairgrounds to write up their Report of their days activities. While they were there, Gannaway called them and asked them to cross-reference the list of TSBD employees against the CID's Intelligence Files. When they did, they recognized Joe Molina's name. Gannaway told them to bring the whole file downtown.
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+"+Roy+Westphal"&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas " Roy Westphal"&f=false
I realized that the "INT" at the top of the second column stands for "Intelligence", not "Interview".
Besides Molina, Joe Molina INT# 2370-9-49 Interviewe by B.L. Senkel 5-6-63 Box 5, Folder# 6, Item# 63 of the DPD Archives , there is listed a Mrs. J.E. Dean INT# 2392-16 Roy Westphal and V,J, Brian 5-6-55 Box 5, Folder# 6, Item# 55 of the DPD Archives. Also interviewed by the FBI. FBI interview (Ruth Dean) CE 1427.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce1427.htm
Mrs. Alvin Hopson also was interviewed by the FBI on 12/4/63.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/exhibits/ce2085.htm
I wonder why Mrs. Dean would be in the Dallas Police Department Intelligence files. Her husband maybe?
With Harvey Lee Oswald, living at 605 Elsbeth is listed as having NONE next to his name, this would indicate that Oswald was not listed in the DPD Intelligence files and that that information came from somewhere else.
Within 30 minutes of meeting Hosty, Revill is also writing a Report to Chief Curry on the Subject Lee Harvey Oswald 605 Elsbeth concerning meeting with James Hosty at 2:50 PM wherein Hosty tells Revill that the FBI knew that Oswald was a communist and that he was “capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy.”
DPD Archives Box 18, Folder# 5, Item# 3.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm
Though that list of TSBD employees is dated 11/22/63, in Westphal's interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence, he talks about going home, and then returning to his office at the Fairgrounds to write up his report of a man at the Trade Mart with a “Free Cuba” flag. So, I'm not sure what time of the evening that list was actually typed up. While he was writing his Report, Captain Gannaway called and asked him to check the names of the TSBD employees against the Department's Intelligence files. Westphal said, “We had handwritten, partial lists; some of them, you couldn't read the names”.
You can see this reflected in the list in the entry in CE 2003 for Marg Lee Williams (actually, Mary Lee Williams)
In the DPD Archives, there is no interview or affidavit for Ms. Williams, just a handwritten note with her name and address.
DPD Archives, Box 3, Folder# 17, Item# 7
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm
Westphal did recognize the name of one man, Joe Molina however. Gannaway instructed Westphal to “bring the entire file down to his office”
https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+%22+Roy+Westphal%22&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas%20%22%20Roy%20Westphal%22&f=false
V.J. Brian testified to the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964. He told the Commission that he was a “detective in the criminal intelligence section”, as was Roy Westphal. When the shooting occurred, he was at the Trade Mart. He said that, “...four of us detectives down there got in a car and we went to the Book Depository and we arrived there a short time, I don't know what time it was, a short time after the shooting occurred.
Mr. RANKIN. Who were the four you are describing now?
Mr. BRIAN. Lieutenant Revill, myself, a detective, O. J. Tarver, and a detective, Roy W. Westphal and we gave a man a lift, and I don't remember whether he was a CID, I don't know the man, I don't remember whether he was a CIC agent or a CID or OSI, he was some type of, as I recall, Army intelligence man.
He only describes searching the TSBD and said, " in fact, I didn't have time to (write a report of the Hosty/Revill conversation) because when I got back there (to the second floor office of the Special Service Bureau, located directly below Captain Fritz's office on the third floor ) they had a list of names they were going to start checking out and they handed me six of them and says, "Start going and checking here and here and here and checking these people."
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40#relPageId=57&tab=page
(5H33)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brian.htm
4. WC testimony of FBI Agent, John Lester Quigley, who interviewed Oswald in New Orleans on August 10, 1963.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/quigley.htm
Quigley told the WC that he got a call from Lt. Francis L. Martello, platoon commander of the First District, New Orleans Police Station saying that the police had a prisoner who wanted to talk to an FBI Agent. When Quigley got there, Oswald was introduced to him as Harvey Lee Oswald.
“Mr. QUIGLEY. At the time I arrived at the police station, Lieutenant Martello directed me to the commanding officer's office, where there was laid out on the table a number of different pamphlets, throwaways, relating to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which he advised me had been removed by the New Orleans Police Department from Oswald the previous day, August 9, at the time of his arrest, for disturbing the peace on Canal Street.
I reviewed, generally looked over, the material to see what it was. I was not familiar with any of this material. While I was doing this, he had not at this point identified who the individual was other than the person had been arrested the previous day; while I was looking over the material, the jailer brought in an individual who was then introduced to me by Lieutenant Martello as Harvey Lee Oswald. I then identified myself by credentials to Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. STERN. You said Harvey Lee Oswald.
Mr. QUIGLEY. I beg your pardon.
Mr. STERN. You meant Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. QUIGLEY. Yes; Lee Harvey Oswald.“
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/martell1.htm
Mr. LIEBELER - How long have you been with the New Orleans Police Department?
Mr. MARTELLO - Fifteen years and nine months.
Mr. LIEBELER - What assignments have you had with the New Orleans Police Department generally over the period that you have been.
Mr. MARTELLO - For 6 years I was assigned to patrol, precincts, and districts. For the next 6 years I was assigned as an instructor at the New Orleans Police Academy. For the following 2 years I was the deputy commander of the Intelligence Division of the New Orleans Police Department, and since that time I have been a platoon commander in the First District Police Station.
https://whowhatwhy.org/2015/11/26/the-cia-mafia-mexico-and-oswald-part-5/
Peter Dale Scott
Report in Spanish of November 26, 1963; retyped and transmitted by JKB (George Munro) to Mexico City CIA Station “Re: Lee Harvey Oswald and Silvia Tirado de Duran,” NARA #104-10068-10084, p. 6. The report was prepared by “LI-4” (Fernando Gutiérrez Barrios, Assistant Director of the DFS) for “LI-2” (Gustavo Díaz Ordaz, Gobernación Chief and President-elect of Mexico). It was hand-carried to Washington on November 27 by a Headquarters CIA Officer, John Horton (CIA Cable MEXI 7105 of November 27, 1963, NARA #104-10015-10416). The report was retyped on the same machine as JKB’s covering letter, presumably to change some, but not all, of the “All Oswald” references in the Report. (All the references to Oswald in the Durán interview pages have “Lee Harvey Oswald,” but subsequent pages dealing with her relatives have “Harvey Lee Oswald.”)
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=32291&search=104-10068-10084#relPageId=1&tab=page
There have been references on several threads about a cable sent on the evening of 11/22 from Fort Sam Houston to Strike Command, McDill AFB in Florida. In the cable, reference was made, to information obtained by Detective Don Stringfellow of the Dallas Police Department. I managed to locate a copy of the cable, which you can find here:
https://archive.org/details/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK
I think this is in the Weisberg collection.
L.D. Stringfellow was a Detective in the Dallas Police Department's Special Service Bureau of which Revill was a Lieutenant.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf
1) Note the reference in this military intelligence file's cable to Harvey Lee Oswald
2) Earlene Roberts told the WC that when the police came to 1026 N. Beckley, they were trying to find a guy named Harvey Lee Oswald
3) The list of TSBD employees prepared for Gannaway by Westphal and Parks thru Revill on Friday afternoon listed Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth
4) In the Stringfellow cable referenced above, Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" tall, 165 lbs, with blue eyes
5) The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio at 12:45 P.M. was for a suspect approximately 30 years old, weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/index.htm
6)I once posed the question, "How did the police first learn of the 1026 N. Beckley address?". Fritz told the WC that some officer (whose name he couldn't remember) stopped him out in the hall before he went in to talk to LHO for the first time, and told him that Oswald lived on Beckley. My conclusion then, was the information came from source in military intelligence.
Others have come to the same conclusion.
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=8636.0;wap2
Was Billy Senkel the officer who told Fritz about 1026 N. Beckley and was he dispatched there looking for a Harvey Lee Oswald because of his association with Lumpkin and Whitmeyer?
I don't know what this all means. What I am thinking right now is that members of the U.S. Army Reserves (in some capacity, whether it was Crichton's mythical 488th or not) had put together a dossier of a blue-eyed, 5'10" 165 lb Harvey Lee Oswald that they handed over to the Dallas Police Department. They told the police, "This is the guy you're looking for. He lives over on Beckley"
I think this dossier had been shared with other police departments around the country such as New Orleans.
Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Mobile, AL on 12/24/63
(23H372) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=404&tab=page
Oswald is referred to as Harvey Lee Oswald in an FBI report coming out of Sherman Oaks, CA on 11/29/63 (23H207) https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=239&tab=page
Chuck Schwartz in the Education Forum on June 2, 2016 in the thread entitled, “Two Dallas cops were involved in the pre-arranged murder of Tippit...”
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22875-two-dallas-cops-were-involved-in-the-pre-arranged-murder-of-tippit/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-330156
Quoting from Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK, Chuck posts:
“Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employees in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security.”
“ One can see how easily a false legend for Oswald could have been generated in the shared files of this coordinated security campaign, involving the Dallas SSB, FBI, military intelligence, and the American Society for Industria
4150th USARF Training School
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a236572.pdf
Training and Organization of the US Army Reserve Components: A Reference Text for Total Force Trainers and a Guide to Other US Military Services 1988-1989. published 1991
Page 73
Fifth U.S. Army (19 USARF Schools)
4150TH USARF SCHOOL 10031 East Northwest Hwy (214) 346-6678Air Defense Artillery Dallas, TX 75238-4399
(page 78) G. Consolidated Training Facilities (CTF) Consolidated Training Facilities are under the control of the CONUSAs. They are for sustainment training of both USAR and ARNG personnel. The courses offered are for military intelligence personnel in Career Management Fields (CMFs) 05, 33, 96, and 98.
Fifth U.S. Army CTF Camp Bullis, Bldg 6120 (512) 221-7672(AFKB-OP-IS-CTF) AV 471-7672 Fort Sam Houston, TX 78234-5000
(page 79) H. Intelligence Training Army Area Schools (ITAAS)
ITAASs are controlled by the CONUSAs. They MOS qualify those prior service personnel in the intelligence CMFs who cannot attend an ACschool. ITAASs are open to both USAR and ARNG personnel.
FIFTH ARMY ITAAS 1920 Henry Wurzback Hwy AV 471-7738San Antonio, TX 78234-7000
There were two reserve training centers in Dallas.
Muchert Reserve Center
10031 E. Northwest Highway,
Herzog Reserve Center
at 4900 S. Lancaster.
Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center
10031 E. Northwest Highway
This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site.
http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf
Grand Prairie Daily News – Grand Prairie, TX
September 14, 1966 page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/15245830/
Army Reserve Training Schools in Texas:
Army Reserve Magazine, Volume 42, Number 4, Spring, 1997, p. 30.
https://books.google.com/books?id=PDtjbPONlngC&pg=RA9-PT1&lpg=RA9-PT1&dq=4166th+USAR+Training+School&source=bl&ots=gcmAGl3HwU&sig=ACfU3U2cMIIch3_2qi8R9xRRzYBf2XEfjA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHkYfygpTmAhXJTN8KHR0CA_IQ6AEwAnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=4166th USAR Training School&f=false
FY 97 Army Reserve Unit Inactivation List
4150th USARFS. Dallas
“Fall Reserve Duty Training Announced Col. Geo Lumpkin, Commandant of the 4150th ARSU DALLAS USAR SCHOOL, announces the beginning of fall reserve duty training assemblies. Hours of meetings will be from 1930 hours to 2140 hours on both Monday and Thursday evenings at the Muchert Armory, located at 10031 East Northwest Highway In Dallas. Officer career courses for all branches of service and Command and General Staff Courses are being offered to reserve officers at this time. Courses offered will provide reservists the opportunity to complete their military obligation and acquire credit towards their retirement. All reservists are Invited to visit the school for additional Information and enrollment now.”
http://www.a2zcity.com/Dallas_TX/index-54.php
page 54
United States Government - Army Department of, Muchert Army Reserve Center, 245th Psyop Company
10031 E Northwest Hwy
Dallas, TX 75238
Phone : (214) 348-6678
Product & Services:
Government Offices & Public Schools
Government Offices-Federal
United States Government - Army Department of, Muchert Army Reserve Center, 279th Maint Co
10031 E Northwest Hwy
Dallas, TX 75238
Phone : (214) 348-2978
Product & Services:
Government Offices & Public Schools
Government Offices-Federal
United States Government - Army Department of, Muchert Army Reserve Center, Hhc 309th Ord Gp
10031 E Northwest Hwy
Dallas, TX 75238
Phone : (214) 348-8052
Product & Services:
Government Offices & Public Schools
Government Offices-Federal
The link below is to a 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.
https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/
This was a 1966 newspaper article, so it's conceivable that this 1968 roster cited above would include people who were there at the same time Lumpkin was Commandant.
An earlier 1962 newspaper article describes Lumpkin as the Commandant, so he was there as Commandant from at least 1962-1966.
Winston Lawson told the WC that George Whitmeyer "taught army intelligence", so I'm assuming Whitmeyer taught out of the same
Muchert Reserve Center
10031 E. Northwest Highway,
Dallas, TX
training center where the 4150th was housed
Training and Organization of the US Army Reserve Components: A Reference Text for Total Force Trainers and a Guide to Other US Military Services 1988-1989. published 1991
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a236572.pdf
Page 73
Fifth U.S. Army (19 USARF Schools)
4150TH USARF SCHOOL 10031 East Northwest Hwy (214) 346-6678Air Defense Artillery Dallas, TX 75238-4399
Would the 4150th ARSU also have come under the Fifth U.S. Army, VIII Army Corps?
Government Accountability Office
https://www.gao.gov/3/fl0013519.php
B-160194, JAN. 18, 1967
B-160194, JAN. 18, 1967
TO MR. ALLEN D. DEVENPORT:
FURTHER REFERENCE IS MADE TO YOUR LETTER OF SEPTEMBER 20, 1966, CONCERNING THE ACTION TAKEN BY OUR CLAIMS DIVISION IN SETTLEMENT DATED SEPTEMBER 15, 1966, WHICH DISALLOWED YOUR CLAIM FOR PAY FOR TRAINING ASSEMBLIES ATTENDED DURING THE PERIOD OCTOBER 1, 1963, TO FEBRUARY 28, 1964, AT LUBBOCK U.S. ARMY RESERVE SCHOOL, AMARILLO, TEXAS.
YOUR CLAIM FOR PAY FOR TRAINING ASSEMBLIES ATTENDED DURING THE PERIOD IN QUESTION IS BASED ON SPECIAL ORDERS NO. 197, DATED SEPTEMBER 24, 1965, HEADQUARTERS, VIII U.S. ARMY CORPS, AUSTIN, TEXAS (PARAGRAPHS 5 AND 6), CONFIRMING PURPORTED VERBAL ORDERS OF THE COMMANDING GENERAL DATED OCTOBER 1, 1963, AUTHORIZING WAIVER FOR ASSIGNMENT OF WARRANT OFFICER MOS INSTRUCTORS, AND RELIEVING YOU (AND CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER ALLEN J. MCCARTY, W2), FROM YOUR DUTIES AS CHIEF WARRANT OFFICER, W-3, WITH THE 4222D USAR, LOGISTIC COMMAND, AMARILLO, TEXAS, AND ASSIGNING YOU (RETROACTIVELY TO OCTOBER 1, 1963) TO THE 4166TH ARSU LUBBOCK USAR SCHOOL, AMARILLO, TEXAS, AS A WARRANT OFFICER MOS INSTRUCTOR AT THAT SCHOOL. PARAGRAPH 6 OF THOSE ORDERS WHICH DIRECTED YOUR ATTACHMENT TO THE USAR SCHOOL SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT ITS PURPOSE IS FOR "RESERVE DUTY TRAINING FOR RETIREMENT POINTS ONLY.'
The link below is to a 1966 Richardson (Texas) Daily News article that describes George Lumpkin as “Commandant of the 4150th ARSU Dallas United States Army Reserve School”.
https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/george-lumpkin/?pc=24581&psi=94&pci=7&pt=23960&ob=1/
The Times of Shreveport, Louisiana
July 15, 1962
https://www.google.com/search?q=%224150th+ARSU%22&client=firefox-b-1-d&biw=1611&bih=944&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M%253A%252CiDog6xBKO5mCAM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRzONpClhVOiPVZeNHZonVq1dA7zQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKp5_yos3gAhX2JTQIHUVPC4wQ9QEwAnoECAYQBA#imgrc=mKOtZKzVDPGU4M:
Identifies Colonel George L. Lumpkin as the Commander of the 4150th ARSU Dallas USAR School.
(ARSU stands for Army Reserve Support Unit)
So, Lumpkin was the Commandant of the 4150th from at least 1962 - 1966.
"Mr. Lawson acknowledged
that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army
Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"
1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396)
Mary Ferrell Database
1963-1964 City Directories list him (George Whitmeyer) as Area Commander USA Reserve Training Center.
Did George Whitmeyer teach at the Muchert Reserve Center where George Lumpkin was the Commandant and Boise Smith was also associated with?
Col. B.B. Smith
Daily Palmer Rustler October 14, 1954 page 2
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth782328/m1/2/
(Member of the faculty 4150th U.S.Army Reserve Training School)
It looks like the 4150th was housed at Love Field up until the City donated property to it in 1956.
B.B. (Boise) Smith. Director, Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Dallas Police Department, Deputy Chief of Police.
Reported directly to Chief Curry.
Batchelor Exhibit 5002
https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf